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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 12:59:39 PM   
TieNTeas


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Status: offline 		I'm thinking about switching back to satellite after my cable company yanked a bunch of stations from the basic service to force us to get digital boxes that will result in a 25-30% increase in the monthly bill.  Satellite does drop out in the bad weather and you have to have a good line of sight to the satellite, but even when it's out it's usually not for too long.  And if you have a cable modem or dsl you'll still be able to go online.  More networks are streaming their video online so you can always watch tv on the computer for a little while if your connection is fast enough.

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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 1:35:57 PM   
smilingjaguar


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Status: offline 		I've been on satellite for the last few years, both TV and internet, and I haven't really had an issue with weather fade.  The few times it's happened have been in the middle of some really bad storms.  I had internet during Katrina until the backup power went out.  It is slow, and I wish I had real high speed, but I've got to get out of the boondocks.  What Asher said about the traffic jam on the superhighway does happen at times and it drives me crazy.

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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 2:23:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		dish.   current bill is $17 a month.   i mostly watch cspan.  i would not pick att cos they are arrogant with confusing fees so much so the 3 cell phones phans wasted thru them.  [$10 off the family pack.  free movies for 3 months..]  when i had everything nothing was on. so now i have modest hook up,  and nothing is on.  it will go up to $48 a month then if i keep movie channels after the 3 mos.   cinnamx is a penny for 2 years if you agree to bill it to visa.  so i like the DVR $6,  dont want an extension.  you can run a feeder wire from main box- so that solves that.
i dont pay for networks.   too many commericals.     so family pack $19, dvr $6 , ktla $1.50,  cinnamax .01; showtime, hbo, starz, $31.



att
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oh- i founnd out my tv burns 100 watts, higher then my refridgerator, 80.  laptop is 25 watts, and 13 in tv is 25 watts..   the AC is on right now therefor i am using the small tv. it is cheaper to run.     the kill a watt gadget is good for determining what to trade off.   it sells for $20


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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 3:30:29 PM   
FirmhandKY


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i also live in a housing association.  i have a lot of hoops to jump through to get satellite tv installed, including approval from the Board.  My installer will not be allowed to begin work until after he has gone to the association office and consulted some particular employee in maintenance.
 
When i called ATT back to review these requirements with them, the 'repair' department guy was a bit hostile about it.  It may end up that i just can't get the two organisations to cooperate enough to even get satellite tv installed, LOL.
 
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Your "housing association" may be violating Federal law:

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Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule

Preemption of Restrictions on Placement of Direct Broadcast Satellite, Broadband Radio Service, and Television Broadcast Antennas

The rule (47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000) has been in effect since October 1996, and it prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to-home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37") in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas. The rule prohibits most restrictions that: (1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal.

Effective January 22, 1999, the Commission amended the rule so that it also applies to rental property where the renter has an exclusive use area, such as a balcony or patio.

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The rule applies to individuals who place antennas that meet size limitations on property that they own or rent and that is within their exclusive use or control, including condominium owners and cooperative owners, and tenants who have an area where they have exclusive use, such as a balcony or patio, in which to install the antenna. The rule applies to townhomes and manufactured homes, as well as to single family homes.

The rule allows local governments, community associations and landlords to enforce restrictions that do not impair the installation, maintenance or use of the types of antennas described above, as well as restrictions needed for safety or historic preservation. Under some circumstances where a central or common antenna is available, a community association or landlord may restrict the installation of individual antennas. The rule does not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a community association, or jointly by condominium or cooperative owners where the antenna user does not have an exclusive use area. Such common areas may include the roof or exterior wall of a multiple dwelling unit. Therefore, restrictions on antennas installed in or on such common areas are enforceable.

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Firm

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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 3:53:57 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		I live a quarter of a mile off the road going up the mountain. Cable to the house will cost upwards of $2,000. Internet is DSL from the phone line and I'm not near where that originates either.

Right now we don't watch tv. Satellite would allow us to watch tv plus you won't have to upgrade your tvs to digital, with cable you will. But cable, if I could afford it, I would get faster internet, plus tv and phone package. It would save money but a savings of $20 a month will still take over a hundred months to pay back. Who knows if I'll still be here in ten years?

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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 4:09:37 PM   
windchymes


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Status: offline 		Cable prices are almost as out-of-control as gas prices are.  I love DirectTV and the DVR. 

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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 4:17:21 PM   
faerytattoodgirl


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satelite sucks...big time.  my parents had it...and got rid of it within 2 months!!!
they've now had cable for many many years.

but asher is wrong...cable also goes out if it rains.  we have rogers which is comcast in usa.  it goes out especially in thunder/lightning storms.  EVERYTIME.

cable will always have more channels.  who cares about the fucking $12.
satelite internet is shit...period.... cable is always the best for the net.
mine is never down...ever...not even in the rain.  which is weird cause the tv goes out in them storms i mentioned...

like last night i was watching wwe...and it started to thunder/lightning just as the last match was coming about...and poof tv went black.  signal gone.  but i was on the net..wwe repeats itself the next day so i saw the match...it was hilarious....thats why i like wwe....funny shit...and the hot diva's..yum.




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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 4:40:49 PM   
BossyShoeBitch


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Status: offline 		Asher,
so can  you walk me through converting my Directv dvrs so i can network them?

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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 5:05:51 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		cable is dismal.

your parents dish was not aimed right.   installed on a bad angle. a growing tree can block signal.  i live in a mundane area., so the cable offers mundane channels.  i cant get free speech tv, doc channel, link tv, ktla, serius music on cable here

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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 9:26:57 PM   
Asherdelampyr


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quote:





There is an unexplained 'dead area' that I live in according to them which causes huge flucuations in signal strength.




The Dead area is caused because of the satellite they have your dish pointing to, more than likely you are at the end of that satellite's range or "footprint" the way it worse is kinda like a projected wireless signal, every satellite broadcasts cto a certain geographical area, called a footprint, if you are in the edges of it, you get fucked


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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/14/2008 9:32:48 PM   
Asherdelampyr


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Status: offline 		If the cable is going out when it rains, then it means their teleport is in the same area that you are (probably also why you think its so good)
as it stands now, almost every television of any sort in North America goes through the same 3 satellites, G26, G10R (recently changed to G18) and another one I cant remember the name off of right off hand, since it isnt part of my job

as an example of what Im saying http://www.lyngsat.com/galaxy26.html

look through the list on the main page and you will see what bounces off of it
and yes, if your parents were constantly losing signal it was either pointed wrong, bad cabling, a bad LNB or too many pine trees (seriously)

BSB, shoot me off a Cmail explaining what it is you are trying to do and I might be able to help, Im more of a computer/network tech, but all a DVR is is a bastardized NC anyway

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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/15/2008 3:31:43 AM   
MmeGigs


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ORIGINAL: Quivver

But I have a question for all you Satellite people.. is it true that the switch over that's coming
to Televisions wont effect those using a Satellite due to the box acting as the adapter? 



Yes, that's true. 

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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/15/2008 3:33:16 AM   
Asherdelampyr


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MmeGigs

quote:

ORIGINAL: Quivver

But I have a question for all you Satellite people.. is it true that the switch over that's coming
to Televisions wont effect those using a Satellite due to the box acting as the adapter? 



Yes, that's true. 


true for cable too
the boxes both already do the digital to analog conversion (which is why they refer to it as digital cable)

if you are really attached to your tv, you can also buy a converter


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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/15/2008 11:36:12 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		a car hits pole cable goes out.  cable outage vs sat outage is about the same here.  i usually use the dvr which can skip commercials.  the dvr still works if the sat is out.   so right now 60 hours used on dvr with 20 empty.  if the storm comes in no prblem.  i tried to cable dvr and it was too hard to use, so i took it back.  it seems the tivo boxes are patented so they can not be like the competitrions.   the thing is i would have needed a class to work the cable dvr.   it also was a lot or pressing to get a channel.  that reminds me of giving  a rat a reward for presses the lever. 

men scan the channels- so maybe that is more of an issue with men.

these days i dont like contracts- they are one sided.  also- the tech is here to watch tv over the internet.  some of it has no commercials.  the thing tv has is one can be lazy and be fed the tv.  where as online is more clicking.

oprahs website is a good example of the rat click.   you get 1 paragraph then must click. so the excitement of the web surf is to dazzle you.  it can be hard to find a medium. info more advanced then grade school, but less advanced the phd.


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RE: Cable vs Satellite - 6/18/2008 7:10:53 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		Note:   I see the dish dvr box uses 30 watts, and does so even when the box is turned OFF.   that means 130 watts when added with 32 inch screen.   if something riveting is on, fine, ill pay it.  but mundane tv babble, no. i also tend to go upstairs- outside etc. leaving the tv on.i guess this should stop.

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