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cyberdude611 -> Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 8:18:14 PM)
In Hartford, Connecticut a 78-year old man was stuck by a car in a hit and run. Even though the street was busy with bystanders on the sidewalk, no one offered to help the man. Not only that, cars swerved out of the way and no one stopped. No one does anything but stare until finally a police cruiser comes drives by responding to an unrelated call. "It was one of the most despicable things I've seen by one human being to another," the Rev. Henry Brown, a community activist, said in an interview. "I don't understand the mind-set anymore. It's kind of mind-boggling. We're supposed to help each other. You see somebody fall, you want to offer a helping hand." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080606/ap_on_re_us/ignored_hit_and_run;_ylt=AmyRbO36WY6Ltzce5ZmqqC.s0NUE

kittinSol -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 8:26:51 PM)
Selfish, paranoid, scaredy bastards with their blinders on wouldn't bat an eyelid if their granny was raped by a T-Rex. No surprise there: I doubt this kind of shit is localised to Hartford, Connecticut.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 8:49:05 PM)
The thinking behind this is psychological. People would rather give the responsibility to somebody else if there are lots of people around. However if you are the only one or one of the few around, you feel personally responsible to help. Psychologists have done studies on this where they have someone fake an injury and fall. And more often than not....when they fall in front of larger groups, no one helps or there is a lot of hesitation to help. But if they fall when only a few people around....those people run to help more often than not. Humans are odd animals.

kittinSol -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 8:54:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Humans are odd animals. Too true, you can say that again...

Wildfleurs -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 8:55:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 In Hartford, Connecticut a 78-year old man was stuck by a car in a hit and run. Even though the street was busy with bystanders on the sidewalk, no one offered to help the man. Not only that, cars swerved out of the way and no one stopped. No one does anything but stare until finally a police cruiser comes drives by responding to an unrelated call. "It was one of the most despicable things I've seen by one human being to another," the Rev. Henry Brown, a community activist, said in an interview. "I don't understand the mind-set anymore. It's kind of mind-boggling. We're supposed to help each other. You see somebody fall, you want to offer a helping hand." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080606/ap_on_re_us/ignored_hit_and_run;_ylt=AmyRbO36WY6Ltzce5ZmqqC.s0NUE As someone that lives in Connecticut (not Hartford thank god!) - Hartford really is that bad! C~

popeye1250 -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 9:17:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 In Hartford, Connecticut a 78-year old man was stuck by a car in a hit and run. Even though the street was busy with bystanders on the sidewalk, no one offered to help the man. Not only that, cars swerved out of the way and no one stopped. No one does anything but stare until finally a police cruiser comes drives by responding to an unrelated call. "It was one of the most despicable things I've seen by one human being to another," the Rev. Henry Brown, a community activist, said in an interview. "I don't understand the mind-set anymore. It's kind of mind-boggling. We're supposed to help each other. You see somebody fall, you want to offer a helping hand." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080606/ap_on_re_us/ignored_hit_and_run;_ylt=AmyRbO36WY6Ltzce5ZmqqC.s0NUE As someone that lives in Connecticut (not Hartford thank god!) - Hartford really is that bad! C~ Yeah, I used to like driving through Hartford as much as I liked driving on the Cross Bronx Expressway.

pinksugarsub -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 9:28:44 PM)
As it now stands, generally there is no duty to rescue. The exceptions to this rule include such situations as a parent and T/their minor child...a duty of care is owed, so a duty to rescue is also imposed. Legally, Y/you can stand on a pier, next to a rope, and watch a Man drown without moving a muscle, and Y/you will have committed no crime. In the '90's there was a backlash against this when a man watched as a small child was molested and murdered in a men's room and did nothing -- not even notify security -- which almost certainly would have saved the child's life. However, passage of 'guardian angel' laws has met with little success as most have been stricken by the courts as unconstitutional. It truely is a sad state of affairs. IMO, there should be at least a modest duty to rescue imposed on P/pl as to A/anyone in severe distress. pinksugarsub

abcbsex -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 10:16:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub It truely is a sad state of affairs. IMO, there should be at least a modest duty to rescue imposed on P/pl as to A/anyone in severe distress. but then there's the people who will sue you after you crack their ribs from doing CPR correctly... That's why the guardian angel laws were struck down. A person should be a good samaritan because they want to be, not because the law obligates them to be, and especially when people can turn on you for "rescuing them wrong", I don't want to be obligated like that. I'm not saying that I wouldn't, because I'm trained in CPR, first aid and qualified to be a lifeguard I do feel morally obligated to do something about, but legally I want no repercussions if for some reason I happened on the scene and didn't feel as if I could do anything to help.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 10:23:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs As someone that lives in Connecticut (not Hartford thank god!) - Hartford really is that bad! C~ Ugh. I spent a day driving around Hartford, lost. Whether on the freeway or a main boulevard, or a residential street, they were some of the rudest drivers I've ever experienced.

abcbsex -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 10:27:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs As someone that lives in Connecticut (not Hartford thank god!) - Hartford really is that bad! C~ Ugh. I spent a day driving around Hartford, lost. Whether on the freeway or a main boulevard, or a residential street, they were some of the rudest drivers I've ever experienced. I took a road trip to Wallingford, and as soon as we hit the state line for Connecticut we started getting flashed with headlights and honked at for going 15 over the speed limit. What the hell mate? I asked my friend who lives in Wallingford and she says the only explanation is that they're all rich new yorkers who commute to work so they're all frustrated as hell and take it out on fellow motorists. I say it's a sound theory.

MzMia -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 10:35:35 PM)
This is a very sad story. I saw this story on the news and it is troubling. What if that was your father or grandfather? I worry about getting old and being able to cross streets quickly enough. I can barely cross them now, with the aggressive and mean spirited drivers. Between being mugged or robbed or run over trying to cross the street, many of the elderly take their lives in their hands when they go outside. We used to be taught to assist and respect the elderly, what kind of world is this?

ownedgirlie -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 10:42:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia We used to be taught to assist and respect the elderly, what kind of world is this? It is my opinion that the elderly are the most disrespected citizens around, sad to say. I remember when I used to take my grandmother to the doctors, the bank, grocery shopping, etc., how rude people were because she moved so slowly. Well at the age of 94 she was glad to be moving at all! The huffing and puffing by the people behind us in line grew to be almost comical after awhile. The year my Dad died, he was at the store using his walker, which he needed because his bone cancer was taking over his femur and hip, and some rude schmuck pushed past him telling him to "Get out of the damn way, old man!!" My Dad was so distraught and frustrated he looked like he might actually start to cry. We really don't like old people in this country. We're in too much of a hurry for them.

Emperor1956 -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 10:47:06 PM)
FR: just a fast reply because some folks have misconstrued what is being discussed here. There are no "guardian angel" laws obligating people to save others. That may be morally reprehensible, but it is legally sound. What happened in Hartford is morally reprehensible. HOWEVER this has NOTHING to do with "good Samaritan" laws that protect the actions of professionally trained and qualified persons (often called "first responders") from offering uncompensated care to victims in need. absbsex commented on the lack of these laws. To the best of my knowledge "good Samaritan" laws are still in place and protect the conduct of doctors, nurses, trained emts and the like when those persons volunteer to assist someone in medical need. So a trained and qualified person giving CPR is protected from suit if they crack a rib....A wanna-be who watches too much CSI is not. E.

MzMia -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 10:56:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia We used to be taught to assist and respect the elderly, what kind of world is this? It is my opinion that the elderly are the most disrespected citizens around, sad to say. I remember when I used to take my grandmother to the doctors, the bank, grocery shopping, etc., how rude people were because she moved so slowly. Well at the age of 94 she was glad to be moving at all! The huffing and puffing by the people behind us in line grew to be almost comical after awhile. The year my Dad died, he was at the store using his walker, which he needed because his bone cancer was taking over his femur and hip, and some rude schmuck pushed past him telling him to "Get out of the damn way, old man!!" My Dad was so distraught and frustrated he looked like he might actually start to cry. We really don't like old people in this country. We're in too much of a hurry for them. Thank you so much for this post Girlie! Often when I purchase something, I feel like I must move to the side to put my money away, because in our society you must....hurry up! move quickly! pick up your bags, put your money away,and get the hell out of people's way! I often feel like I should NOT have to rush and hurry up because the person behind me is so impatient, if it's an issue for me in my 40s, GOD help the elderly and disabled. Let's not even talk about road rage and the nut case drivers. I can only imagine what your Dad and Grandmother went through. As a society we are running around stressed out, and in most urban area's everyone seems to be in a hurry. Anyone can be sick or tired or have a physical or mental impairment, or just be getting a little older and have to move slowly. I often time lights when I cross the street. In D.C. certain streets tell you how many seconds you have to cross the street before the light changes. Some of them give you 30 seconds, I always ask myself, "How in the world do the elderly or disabled, etc. cross these streets?" Some streets I have to run a bit to get across, NOW. At the same time, you better be looking for all the drivers making right turns on red lights, they will run you over real quick in the city.

abcbsex -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 11:13:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 FR: just a fast reply because some folks have misconstrued what is being discussed here. There are no "guardian angel" laws obligating people to save others. That may be morally reprehensible, but it is legally sound. What happened in Hartford is morally reprehensible. HOWEVER this has NOTHING to do with "good Samaritan" laws that protect the actions of professionally trained and qualified persons (often called "first responders") from offering uncompensated care to victims in need. absbsex commented on the lack of these laws. To the best of my knowledge "good Samaritan" laws are still in place and protect the conduct of doctors, nurses, trained emts and the like when those persons volunteer to assist someone in medical need. So a trained and qualified person giving CPR is protected from suit if they crack a rib....A wanna-be who watches too much CSI is not. E. I do know about the Good Samaritan laws having worked as a lifeguard and being up to date on my CPR/first aid certification now. I was just saying that you shouldn't be legally required to be one, which would be the aim of the "guardian angel" laws.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 11:15:48 PM)
Hi MzMia, Thanks for your post, as well. As for my Grandmother, well she was an ornery old Italian woman who would roll her eyes at the huffers and puffers behind her, and deliberately take longer with a glimmer in her eye, pulling one coin at a time out of her change purse. [;)] But not everyone reacts like that, particularly when one is ill, like my Dad. It was a huge lesson for me in just how rude people are to our elderly. It was something I had never noticed until I was actually with them for extended periods of time, and dealing with the public. And you know, we all hope to reach our elderly years, don't we? That's what's so ironic about it. The karma will be interesting...heh.

MzMia -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 11:19:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Hi MzMia, Thanks for your post, as well. As for my Grandmother, well she was an ornery old Italian woman who would roll her eyes at the huffers and puffers behind her, and deliberately take longer with a glimmer in her eye, pulling one coin at a time out of her change purse. [;)] But not everyone reacts like that, particularly when one is ill, like my Dad. It was a huge lesson for me in just how rude people are to our elderly. It was something I had never noticed until I was actually with them for extended periods of time, and dealing with the public. And you know, we all hope to reach our elderly years, don't we? That's what's so ironic about it. The karma will be interesting...heh. Girlee? I am hoping to hang in here into my 90's like your Grandmother. I LOVE her spirit, GOD Bless her I will probably do the same sort of things.[:D] What I hate also is, even if you CAN move real quickly, why as a society do we almost always HAVE to? I like to be able to enjoy being out, looking and enjoying the world, and not having to rush.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/5/2008 11:30:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia I like to be able to enjoy being out, looking and enjoying the world, and not having to rush. It's simple - don't rush. [;)] No sense in stressing yourself out just to accomodate strangers.

Vendaval -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/6/2008 12:26:36 AM)
General reply - I have to assist my aging mum in public and become hyper aware when we are crossing between the handicapped parking space and the store. Thankfully people in this smaller city are pretty polite for the most part. What happened in Hartford to that elderly man is represensible and the driver needs to be sitting in the county jail awaiting trial.

sexypet -> RE: Dont get into an accident in Hartford, Connecticut (6/6/2008 1:31:45 AM)
Typical of CT and one of the reasons why I left - the hit and runs. In Damnbury, where i lived for most of my adult life, the problem occured with an influx of one village of Ecuadorians (I am not kidding, it was documented in the local paper)- none of whom were registered to drive, had insurance or legal plates for their car, so they would just hit you and run. sigh.

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