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mistoferin -> Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 9:21:13 AM)

This is kind of a spin off of the "How do you know it's subspace?" thread on the ask a submissive board. I know the techniques I use to help myself get there and I am curious to know what kinds of techniques work for others. Are there things that you consciously do
to help get yourself there? Is there a well travelled and familiar path that you follow? Can you "fight off" subspace if you don't want to really go...say if you were playing with someone you don't know as well?

This is what I wrote on the other thread:

Getting there:
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I very consciously help myself into subspace. I focus on Sir's touch, his voice and the sensations he provides. I concentrate on the beat of the music. I close my eyes and focus my breathing. It works best for me when the pain gets to the level that my heart is really starting to race and I imagine myself taking control of my heart rate and breathing. I literally visualize my heart. I visualize the pain as red and hot and I breathe in deeply. I visualize the air that I breathe in as blue/green and very cool. As the breathe goes in I direct it to the area of pain and the blue/green mist envelops the red/hot pain. Some of the red mixes with the blue/green and the red becomes orange/yellow. As the blue/green/cool breath mixes with the red/hot pain I exhale and it carries parts of the pain back out of my body. What is left is a sensation that penetrates and reverberates throughout me and I hone in on that sensation. The rest of the world, other than Sir and myself, fades to black and he and I become very vivid.

At this point I start to see small pinpricks or flashes of light in my periphery and my vision kind of tunnels. I can feel my heart rate and breathing slowing and a serenity starts to overtake me. At this point I just surrender myself to it. Kind of like if you are paddling a canoe furiously against the current and suddenly you just stop and allow yourself to flow with it. That's when I know I am on my way and I just let go and I stop all efforts to process the sensations.

Shortly after that I'm gone and in a post a few years ago I wrote what that feels like to me. Here is a copy of what I wrote then.


How I experience it when I get there:
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Subspace for me always comes during a scene or at times, it has even been triggered by just really great sex. Externally I am told that it is like this. If I am being scened, when I enter Subspace my body relaxes and goes slack, I no longer respond to painful stimuli, my eyes are no longer focused, my pupils dilate and I get a very calm and serene look about me. I can't really respond verbally at this point. Every touch can generate an orgasm, even a stroke on my cheek.

Internally, it is very calm. It is like being enveloped by a cool mist. Color perception is different and I very frequently see things in shades of purple. Quite frequently there is a sensation of water running over me. There have been times when I can see the room, including myself, as if I am looking down from above. Mentally I am very foggy, kind of like after a good dose of morphine....lol. As I begin to come back down, I generally get a case of the shakes. The world comes back into focus in bits and pieces. I am very much in need of a warm blanket, a good cuddle and quite frequently I am extremely tired, although there are exceptions to that as there have been times when I have bounced up like I am ready to run a marathon, excitedly chattering and giggly. The effects can last for several hours after....sometimes even longer....and it would not be a good time for me to drive a car or operate heavy machinery...lol. Although, I may seem perfectly coherent...sometimes it takes awhile for that fog to fully lift.


How I learned to do it:
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  I haven't always consciously assisted myself. For the first 8 or 9 years that I was involved with BDSM my journey leading up to subspace was more like a frustrating fight. I think that it happened then more as a result of my brain and body overloading but I didn't have the ability to really control it. I knew I loved the feeling but I had no idea how to get there.

How I learned to "help" myself was purely an accident. I was very, very sick and in constant and chronic pain. Some of the coping skills I learned were biofeedback and meditation. It was found that I have an amazingly natural ability to do those things and I got a lot of relief from them. Actually, I had been doing a bit of it on some level already but didn't fully understand the techniques. I should also say that by this time I had already learned that I could mentally pull myself out of a place I didn't want to be.....although I had no understanding of exactly "how".

Anyway, when I started to really learn how to control my pain through these techniques I realized that my efforts took me to a place that felt very similar to subspace. So the next natural progression for me was to "play" with it, if you will, during scenes. It was a slow and bumpy start but eventually I found that I could pretty effectively and consistently give myself the push that was needed to go smoothly without all of the frustration and internal struggle.

The downside to that is that I know the path so well that sometimes I rush to get there and Sir literally will step in and prevent it so that I go on his time frame and not mine. There are also times when we are in a place where the energy in the room will be off that I just can't find the focus that I need and it will take me a long time to get there, if I can at all.....or my subspace experience will be altered in a negative way and I will go for a rather freaky or upsetting ride.




mistoferin -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 12:12:45 PM)

hmmmmm...was this THAT weird of a question?




Mercnbeth -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 12:30:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

hmmmmm...was this THAT weird of a question?


not really...just hard to put to words.  besides, if you had only posed your question as "I've been talking with a Dom online for a week who says I won't have any degree of control over subspacing when we meet on Saturday...is this true?", you would have received lots more replies!!!![;)]
 
for this slave, subspace isn't something that has just "happened" to this slave, it has been a specific path she has gone down that ended at a trance state.  it isn't a frenzied state of excitement, but a calm, serene, peaceful place amidst what vanilla's would perceive as an abusive situation.  sometimes it takes some crying to release any pent-up emotion that would get in the way of that journey, other times just clearing the mind and being fully present does the trick.
 
she has reached similar trance states, without the sexual energy, during meditative and physical exercises.




Missokyst -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 12:38:29 PM)

Like you I can help myself into subspace.  I focus on his lips, his voice, his chin and it seems almost like hypnosis for me.  But I can be IN within moments.  Once there it is very open, peaceful, trusting, almost as if I were in the presence of absolute energy.  I can get out if I shake it off, which I have done during play, if things are changed up unexpectedly.
Kyst




virgini970 -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 12:48:16 PM)

music loud does it for me and if i don't realy know them then play where every one can see i love subspace the only thing is when you get there they stop and i wish the would not stop that's when it's good




mistoferin -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 1:01:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
not really...just hard to put to words.  besides, if you had only posed your question as "I've been talking with a Dom online for a week who says I won't have any degree of control over subspacing when we meet on Saturday...is this true?", you would have received lots more replies!!!![;)]


Yeah....or if I would have asked fat women can find subspace easier than skinny women....this thread would be 10 pages long by now. I find it odd that on a message board designed to share ideas, questions and experiences about BDSM, a fat thread will have a 1,000 hits in the first hour...but if you ask a question that is actually on topic and asks people to share their actual experiences...well sometimes it would be easier to pull teeth. Wonder what that says???

Anyway, yes it is hard to put into words beth...and maybe that is why we don't see more of it. Often though, I see many "s" types talking about how elusive subspace is and I thought that maybe if those of us who have been there a time or two were to share the specifics of "how".....well it might make it easier for those who are trying so hard to get there. Thanks for replying.




mistoferin -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 1:03:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: virgini970

music loud does it for me and if i don't realy know them then play where every one can see i love subspace the only thing is when you get there they stop and i wish the would not stop that's when it's good


I see a lot of dominants who do stop the moment you get there.....but they thankfully they all don't. There isn't really a reason to stop unless it is just what they personally want to do. A skilled Top can prolong subspace for a long time.




kyraofMists -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 4:45:16 PM)

I don't think that there is any one thing that I do; it is more a combination of a bunch of little things.  Then the most important is him allowing me to go there, because he knows how to stop it.  Some of the things are relax, focus on the present, let go of the part of myself that controls my behavior, don't allow myself to be distracted by things outside of the play, and visualization.

It isn't often that I do go into subspace.  Mostly, he just lets me skirt on the edges of it.  I have found that blindfolds help me a lot and that putting on a stethascope during a public play party really fucks it up... talk about amplifying every noise in the room!!  The most important for me is to be in the right mindset for play in the first place.

I have stopped myself from going there.  I don't react much when I space and we were having a kicking/punching play and I was having so much fun I didn't want to drift off and not be able to react to him.  I would get a sinking sensation like I was falling and then I would push myself to stop.  Usually, he pulls me out of it and I don't have to worry about it.

Knight's Kyra




missturbation -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 5:02:40 PM)

I have only ever spaced four or five times and i have no control over it whatsoever.
I can feel everything done to me whilst spacing, but i cant react to it. I wouldnt stop myself spacing for all the tea in china. [:D]




awakenednj -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 5:51:16 PM)

I have absolutely no control over subspace. Not how or when i get there, how long I stay... nothing. I think I would be more frightened of it if I did.. that He controls it makes it safe in my mind.... maybe that will change down the road.




ThundersCry -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 5:54:14 PM)

When I was submitting it depended...
 
The kind of subspace I was able to go thur physically was different than when I submitted...mentally.
 
Mentally....for the most part was...uncontrollable...
 
Damn....




Bound2One -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 6:03:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
nyway, yes it is hard to put into words beth...and maybe that is why we don't see more of it. Often though, I see many "s" types talking about how elusive subspace is and I thought that maybe if those of us who have been there a time or two were to share the specifics of "how".....well it might make it easier for those who are trying so hard to get there. Thanks for replying.



I think it's a great thread.  I get a lot out of reading everyone's experiences about such an enigmatic topic. 

I've reached a lovely headspace with Master.  It's not subspace, but it's a rather floaty headspace and while I'm in it everything softens except for my focus on him.  Perhaps it's part-way to subspace, I don't know.  I try not to think about subspace as a destination, but rather as something I'm open to if and when it arrives. 




slavegirljoy -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 6:20:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: awakenednj

I have absolutely no control over subspace....
.....that He controls it makes it safe in my mind.....

Same here.  The very thought of having any control over my journey into subspace is totally foreign to me.  Never even considered it before.  Don't have any interest in having control over how, when, or how long i am in subspace.  That's for my Master to control.  Not me. 
 
When i put myself in the very capable and caring hands of my Master, i eagerly embraced the total sweet abandon of all control over me. 
 
i don't go into subspace.  He takes me there.  i don't even know that i'm going there until after i come back and the aftereffect is very nice and very much like having been on a nice trip on a special mushroom.  It makes me feel peaceful and a little 'floaty'.
 
joy
Owned servant of Master David




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 6:35:12 PM)

I've control of it somewhat.  I've kept myself out and pushed myself down.  Same with sleep and hypnosis.  Perhaps it's because I've always done it with sleep and hypnosis, that doing it with subspace just seemed normal to me.




Prismfire -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 6:38:27 PM)

I'm so glad you asked the question and I see you are coming up against the same thing I did at first although eventually some people like yourself really opened up about it.

The reason I posed my question on how do you know its subspace is because it is my belief that subspace and trance are the same thing... As a hypnotist I have ALOT of experience with this... I first posed the question to a group of erotic hypnotists and a lot of interesting discussion was raised... It seems in this forum though there is a bit of a preconception against the idea...

If you consider my belief that subspace and trance are the same thing ... and you look at how you have managed to achieve some measure of control over your own subspace it seems to kind of make sense... And if this is true then it stands to reason that ANYONE can learn to do this which I think is amazing myself. It also leads me to believe that Dominants can be trained to spot the signs of entry into subspace alot quicker even on s types they don't play with on a regular basis.

I am definitely able to control it to some degree.... I don't do it quite as consciously as you do and much like you there are times when the energy just isn't right and no matter what I do I cannot get there. It is easier for me with my most current scene partner as we have scened together quite a few times now and I know that I am always safe with him. Its usually a fairly quick slide into that state by focus of several things but I use basic self trance techniques as well. Focus on breathing, the air on my skin along with which ever sensations are being produced  I also place an extreme focus on the Dominant often to the point of knowing how far back he is standing and being aware of the heat of his skin when he is standing close by as well as the rate of his breathing etc. Ive never tried to pull myself out although I am usually ok after a scene which I guess is pulling out in some shape form or fashion. In other words I'm not super dependent on loads of aftercare to help me pull out which indicates to me that I am pulling out myself. The entire topic obviously fascinates me deeply and I look forward to reading all the responses here.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 6:40:45 PM)

They aren't the same thing.  However, subspace CAN BE a form of trance for many people, and some forms of trance are what some would describe as subspace for them.

But to say they are always the same and identical concepts is incorrect IMO.  It's more that both trances and subspace are various altered states of consciousness.




Prismfire -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 6:50:47 PM)

Ive never spoken in absolutes... I generalize according to my own experience and the relation of those experiences by others... How can you be so convinced that its not the same when every single persons experience is absolutely subjective, If the brain states are the same delta or theta states then it stands to reason that you would see hypnotic phenomenon occur too which is why how people experience it and this question of the OP on whether or not its controllable is so very interesting. If hypnotic phenomenon can occur then shouldn't one be more aware of suggestive language ?  This is my belief... I've never claimed it to be fact I am however seeking to either validate or disprove this belief by seeking to find out how others experiences fit or don't fit into it.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 7:13:47 PM)

Mostly because of my own experiences.  I experience trance states and subspace states.  I would not call them identical at all.  And I know I'm not the only person to claim to have this experience.

So you can either say I don't know what I'm talking about in myself, or admit that you aren't going to fully validate your belief and that it's closer to what I described.




Prismfire -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 7:27:18 PM)

Or I can say that you and I have differing beliefs and that that is ok, Life would be way to boring if we all believed the exact same thing :) I enjoy challenging that which I believe with valid reasons cross questioning and tapping into how people experience things. It is what allows me to grow.




liljoy -> RE: Do you have any degree of control over your subspace? (6/3/2008 7:38:00 PM)

wow great topic! i've only been to subspace a few times with no idea how i got there. i'll have to try what you do and see if it works for me. If i can force out the thoughts that usually run through my head during intense times.

"OMFG that hurt. i just know. It's going to get worse. i know He's gonna hit that same damn spot again, prolly even harder that they last couple of ones. Where the hell are those endorphins. i knew it same damn spot again. Endorphins where the hell are you? can't you tell i'm in trouble here? Damn i hope He finds another spot to hit soon!! HERE endorphins!! Oh come on already!"

See it's pretty crowded in my head with thoughts i can't even shit off enough to sleep most nights. Add a boat load of pain to the mix and it just makes it harder to shut them down

lil_joy




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