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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/2/2008 7:40:10 PM

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Very sad, why is there never a hungry vietnamese around when you really need one?

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/2/2008 7:41:33 PM

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Very sad, why is there never a hungry vietnamese around when you really need one?

thats just so wrong......yet so fukn funny!

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/2/2008 7:45:34 PM

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Very sad, why is there never a hungry vietnamese around when you really need one?

thats just so wrong......yet so fukn funny!

I was gonna say that.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/2/2008 7:52:23 PM

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Schnuazers and Pitbulls.... wonder who the bitch was....

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/2/2008 10:45:13 PM

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My nephew, who is allergic to cats, saw a guy toss a kitten out a car window on the freeway here and risked his life to save it. That cat now lives the life of riley with his old girlfriend.

A/anyone who is deliberately and unnecessarially cruel to a helpless animal, a kid, or an old person is IMO definately a deviant...and not in a good way.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 7:08:59 AM

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Irishknight blessings to you and yours for your kindness, i take in stray cats(live in an apartment otherwise it'd be a zoo) have 5 rescues and feed about that many outside. Lot of people say it should be a point of law but it's like slaveboyforyou put it here in AR they still won't accept cruelty to animals as a felony. the rep for the cattleman say they don't support the resolve because they fear someone will use it as a sounding board to stop the slaughter cows -ooookay- its always nice to meet a free thinker ya know.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 7:48:53 AM

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just this year, a law was passed and now animal abuse is treated as a felony here and i'm glad it was passed, but you can get more time for abusing a pet now than you can for abusing your children.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 12:40:20 PM

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My sister and brother-in-law got their first cat this same way....some bastard had put three kittens in a black garbage bag and tossed them out of a car on a busy highway in the middle of an upstate NY winter...back when winter was winter! Chuck happened to be driving in, saw the bag move, and stopped and snagged it. (It ended up by the auto shop's driveway...if it hadn't, those poor things would have been dead in an hour.) Chuck took Tigger, the other two guys each took one of the other two. Tigger was the sweetest little cat!

I'm so glad you found it in your hearts to take them in......your paths crossed for a reason.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 1:48:34 PM

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Fast Reply to no one in particular:

I abhor cruelty to animals.

I have, however, put down my share of them, for various reasons.

Throwing kittens into the river, or in the middle of a busy highway, or in any deadly situation is uncalled for, and should be punished.

I also have a house in the country, and have had my fair share of animals "show up" at my door step. Currently, my daughter lives in that house, and still has about 8 dogs - all strays which were adopted from the roadside. We have had as many as 30 dogs (which is an expensive pain, even if you like animals).

However, I would like to present a different side to "dropping off" animals that some people don't seem to consider.

The majority of animal shelters have limited budgets, and even if they have an adoption program, don't always place many of the animals that work their way through the system.

What happens to the animals in most of those shelters, if they are not adopted?

They are killed.

Sure, there are some "no kill" shelters, but they are relatively rare, compared to all the others. And what happens when they are full, and not accepting any new animals?

Yup. They force you to take any additional animals to a "kill facility".

Some people condemn without exception anyone who "drops off" an animal, rather than taking them to a shelter, because it is "cruel" to drop off an animal, to get rid of them. I'm not endorsing "dropping off" either (I've been on the receiving end too often), but I do think there is a wider way to look at it, other than simply giving it a blanket condemnation.

If taking an animal to a shelter is death, then is that any less cruel than giving an animal a chance at life, by changing their location in life?

Perhaps they suffer, and don't find a new, good home. Perhaps they go hungry. Perhaps they get hit by a car, or otherwise killed.

That's a chance at life, rather than a certainty of death.

Is there no redeeming morality to this at all?

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 2:20:02 PM

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Actually, Firm, there is no redeeming value. To sentence an animal to a quick humane death rather than a prolongued or painful one would be redeeming. Had my wife been driving as fast as the others who use our road as a shortcut, these pups would be dead. I doubt that 1 in 1000 says, "Well lets give them a chance at life. I can't stand to see them put to sleep. So let's ABANDON them with NO MEANS to take care of themselves." If these individuals were so benevolent, they would not abandon them at all. It is a scummy act done by scummy people.
Putting animals down quickly to keep them from suffering is more humane than making them suffer because you're too lazy to take them into town.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 2:28:29 PM

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Irish,

I wasn't particularly talking about animals too young to care for themselves, nor in the cruelty of placing any animal in a dangerous position (middle of a busy road, thrown into a river inside a bag etc), although perhaps I did not make that clear.

Nor am I talking about being "too lazy" to put them into a shelter, or attempting to give them away - unsuccessfully.

Absent those conditions, you still can not perceive of anything other than death for the animal as being the most appropriate response?

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 2:31:23 PM

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Jesus Christ, why don't people that get animals just get them spayed and neutered? It is not rocket science. If you can't afford the procedure, you can't afford the pet. Period.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 2:34:27 PM

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Jesus Christ, why don't people that get animals just get them spayed and neutered? It is not rocket science. If you can't afford the procedure, you can't afford the pet. Period.

Sure. I agree.

I've paid thousands of dollars, probably, to spay and neuter.

How does that address my question?

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 2:36:22 PM

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An animal that is reliant on a human being for all of its life has less of a chance for survival. Why would you abandon such an animal? How could that be considered the "right thing?"
There are, of course, other options than death. Take care of them or find someone who will. Don't just hope they find someone. People who will justify dumping an animal are the same kind who will father a child and then run away. Its about responsability.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 6:30:22 PM

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That was not meant for you directly Firm, sorry, just a general rant.

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Jesus Christ, why don't people that get animals just get them spayed and neutered? It is not rocket science. If you can't afford the procedure, you can't afford the pet. Period.

Sure. I agree.

I've paid thousands of dollars, probably, to spay and neuter.

How does that address my question?

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 7:06:07 PM

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Aynne, i agree with you wholeheartedly. Unless you are using animals for breeding stock, get em fixed. Three out of 5 dogs in our house are fixed. The other two are why I started this post.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 8:48:10 PM

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Talk to your local vet. They are a good source of information. They sometimes will help in the fixed department, mine helped foot the bill on over 30 cat and kittens. As for letting them loose to be rid of them, i feel it was a matter of fastest solution, rather then thought of best for the animals. People tend to rationalize to suit their choice in my opinion.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 8:50:09 PM

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WE just got them. Thats why they aren't fixed. Also, they are only about 10 weeks old. I've always herd that you don't get a dog fixed that young.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/3/2008 9:15:39 PM

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i don't remember on dogs my last four were female but an article about the subject is here http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/ope/ivb/spay-neu.htm Was directing the vet comment on where to turn rather then just dump them, sorry.

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RE: Puppies in the road - 6/4/2008 4:32:39 AM

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What happens to the animals in most of those shelters, if they are not adopted?

They are killed.

actually..."no kill" shelters are becoming the norm in this area rather than the exception, which is why i have taken strays to them.

Also...you cannot adopt an animal from out local shelter without it first being spayed/neutered. If you want to adopt, you pay the adoption fees and pick up the lil sweetheart the next day.

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