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fungasm -> Contact Math (5/29/2008 8:44:12 PM)

Here is a question for those who contact other users via their private profile: do you have an estimate for your response rate for a generic response versus a targeted one?  Is there anyone who has an idea of the numeric data involved?  Does one get more responses if you send the same 2 sentences to 100 people regardless of what they are looking for, or is it better to send 10 targeted replies to people who match your interests/geography/sub-dom/me-switch dynamic?

I ask because I was replying to yet another person who sent me a couple sentences that were not only not related to anything in my profile, but actually contradictory to what I am looking for.  In other words, without looking at what I am looking for; they either saw an image, or they saw a post and sent a "hi, you look interesting, I'd like to get to know you" generic reply.  I was thinking that it made more sense that rather than send out 100 replies across the board, to actually do a targeted search for what you are looking for, read the profiles of the people who look interesting and send 10 people a more specific reply.  If you get 3 replies either way, than you might as well send the specific one.   I definitely know which of the two replies I would rather read and respond positively to. 

But the problem with my numbers is that it is rectal math.  (I pulled it out of my ass.)   I'd love to know what the real answer is, at least to the mathematics of it.  Anyone have an answer based on actual experience and not conjecture?




ToysAndTies -> RE: Contact Math (5/29/2008 8:49:36 PM)

Your best source for finding information like that would be to ask a telemarketer or someone in sales.  I think it's something like the 3 fold 10th rule, or 3 fold 100th, I forget my political campaigning class.  For every 100 people you contact, 10 might care or be interested, and 1 might respond favorably... of course this is again, rectal math, but a pollster kind of guy would know the numbers better.  Everyone chooses early a quantity or quality approach to things.  Some businesses (people) make a bigger hit by reaching as many people as possible and hoping for the best.  I choose the opposite, reach a few targetted people where there's genuine matching interests.

I'll keep reading this one, because I've always wondered about the viagra and cialis emails rampant through the internet, and if that actually helped their sales.

Cheers  




Abraxus -> RE: Contact Math (5/29/2008 8:50:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fungasm
Does one get more responses if you send the same 2 sentences to 100 people regardless of what they are looking for, or is it better to send 10 targeted replies to people who match your interests/geography/sub-dom/me-switch dynamic?


My life is wayyyyyyy too busy to be bothered with doing such calculations but.....why would anyone send out e-mails to a hundred random people.....or even 10 people???




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: Contact Math (5/29/2008 9:00:46 PM)

I think you need to factor the gender equation into your question.  Women are likely to get more responses than men from mail sent out, at least here, on CM.  You hear it all the time, women being bombarded with messages, and men complaining they rarely receive any at all.  I don't think it has as much to do with whether you identify as submissive or Dominant (or any other matter) as much as it has to do with gender specifically.

Men seem less finicky when it comes to finding someone to be with than women.  It makes sense to me that they will send more mail and receive fewer messages. 

So, when calculating the results of your query, you will likely see a skewed pattern.  Men who send bulk messages/or targeted messages will likely have different results than women who do the same.




fungasm -> RE: Contact Math (5/29/2008 9:04:44 PM)

I'm actually interested in the numbers from CollarMe.  Just relative to this site and to people who reply to other people here.  

The reason that you would send out 1 message or 10 or 100 is to find a human being to connect to who is interested in the same things you are and who wants to explore the same experiences.  At least that is my conjecture.  I know one of the reasons I'm here is the hope to find my own open-mind kinky geek... and because the forum amuses me.. 

I know that there are people who send out the same thing again and again because I get them.  There are posts about people who complain bitterly about getting scads of inappropriate replies.  (I should know, I have written one of them, and it was pointed out that there were many other such postings.)  But I haven't seen anything where people talk about the act of different types of CollarMe mail that is sent and the actual results. Since I love statistics, I would love to know what the real numeric data is. 




mistoferin -> RE: Contact Math (5/29/2008 9:09:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fungasm
The reason that you would send out 1 message or 10 or 100 is to find a human being to connect to who is interested in the same things you are and who wants to explore the same experiences.  At least that is my conjecture.  I know one of the reasons I'm here is the hope to find my own open-mind kinky geek... and because the forum amuses me.. 


I would think that you would get far better results then if you sent out that 1 or 10 or 100 emails to people whose interests, orientation and location closely match your own.

I get a lot of those kind of emails that are just a line or two that are telling of the fact that the sender didn't read a single word of my profile. Generally, I don't even bother responding to them.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Contact Math (5/29/2008 9:13:08 PM)

I get back 1 of every 2 CMails I get. When I write to someone, it is becasue I have an honest interest in talking to them. I dont care to send out 10 or 100 emails in thehopes of getting in touch with a few interesting people. I am very very choosy about whom I bother sending to, and why. As a result, my few emails have very good return rates.
I reply to everything I recieve, even if it might not be a reply they want to hear. No is a valid reply.

DV 




RedMagic1 -> RE: Contact Math (5/29/2008 9:17:05 PM)

I get a 100% response rate when I send email to other forum posters.  Those emails are almost never of a "hitting-on-you" nature though.

When I've been looking, my cold-email response rate from women is about 50%.  It took me a few months to get there, though.  I had to figure out which profiles to avoid, and how best to capture someone's attention with just a few written words.  I "wasted" a lot of time "in the lab."

It's after the second or third email -- or the second IM -- that she or I has decided not to proceed forward.  Every time (except one) I've spoken to someone on the phone, we've ended up meeting.

I've had one relationship and several dates from Alt and CollarMe.

I don't see any better way than being honest, direct and funny -- and not being afraid to say "I'm not interested in you" if I'm not.

I don't really buy into the "you have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find your prince" idea.  My objective is to make a friends with a lot women who are beautiful on the inside -- and hopefully outside too.  If I end up with a lover for the rest of my life, great.  If not, I have a great new circle of friends.




Quivver -> RE: Contact Math (5/29/2008 9:32:11 PM)

It's rare that I contact anyone, but the few times I do I'd take a guess and say that my response rate is 80%. 
Then again I am not contacting out of looking for someone to fill my desires, it's usually in reply to a post or
because I found something in their profile or journal to comment on. 






HieroV -> RE: Contact Math (5/29/2008 9:43:15 PM)

It’s a funny thing…in a way I’ve had as much luck with a “generic” message as a directly targeted one.

I’ve been in four relationships with dominant women – met them all online even though I have attended a good number of munches and the occasional D/S event.

The first woman I ever had a relationship with I met her by responding to a personal ad in AOL’s kink bulletin board – which no longer exists. It was very melodramatic “may I kneel before you and be a part of you stable, etc…” I was sincere but I cringe at it now…I feel it is tacky and too much, too strong to interact with a stranger online that way – especially the first time, as it really has nothing to do with the person being contacted.

She loved it. We meet after three months of online interaction and were Master and slave for a little over a year.  (I should say I didn’t ask for sex or anything, just admitted that I was newbie and I would do anything to learn and asked to be hers for a while.) I learned a lot – it was my first relationship and there were major issues – but I learned a lot from her…will always be grateful.

The second time I sent a generic email to a woman whose AOL screen name said she was dominant and whose profile I found to be cute and funny. It was something along the lines of… “Hi, this is who I am, this is what I am looking for, this is my level of experience, I would like to get to know you, start off as friends perhaps, etc….(I did not list my particular kinks.)

She loved it; we talked online and on the phone for a few months. We wound up being together for six years. We still talk on the phone once a week or every other week.

The third time – again another generic email – I had read her profile on a bulletin board (can’t recall which one) and said in effect – some of what you said was interesting but I really don’t know you….this is who I am, this is what I am looking for….

She was a little wary but was not insulted at all for not writing an individual letter. She said something along the lines of: “It’s like applying for a job, you share your resume, and you put your best foot forward and don’t lie to gain my trust. Also you don’t know me at all, how could you target me?” We meet a few times and started a relationship. (It was not monogamous, she had a number of men in her life and while we both enjoyed each other – I don’t think I was anything that’s special in her life.) That lasted about a year and a half.

The last time was someone I met her on CM. It was personal note. It didn’t last long but she was a lovely woman – we just couldn’t make it work.

I think it was that the woman I approached just happened to be serious about looking for a relationship and were actively looking and really working at making it happen. And most importantly they were open to actually meeting someone.

I have only had a dominant woman approach me first without me contacting her first (about a possible relationship) about ten times in my life….half of those times it was a really insulting one liner: “Show me your picture so I can see if you are worthy of Me contacting you.” I’ve had a good number of women contact me because they thought my profile was funny or had seen an essay I had written on male submission – I used to have some stuff up but I pulled it down off the web years ago – but it was for friendly chat, not a possible relationship.

The funny part is there have been times when I wrote a personal note and had women respond angrily that it was generic! Or they would say: "Ok, you quoted heavily to prove to me that you read my profile, so what?”

And there have been times when women would say kind things to me like – “My, my you are a big bundle of boy yumminess.” I have a number of positive flattering rejections in my files….women who did not want me for certain reasons yet were kind enough to give me a little praise and wish me luck. That is always lovely when it happens.

I sometimes think some of the people on this site are unrealistic. Sure, it should annoy you if you say you are a hard-core sadist and someone who is not into pain at all writes to you seeking a possible realtionship. But if your profile is only a couple of lines long, and you don’t post anything in your journal and/or the bulletin boards, how could anyone really write you a personal message? 

HieroV




petdave -> RE: Contact Math (5/30/2008 5:33:42 AM)

While i don't have any response rate information, you may be interested by a little study i did...

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1607466/mpage_1/key_numbers/tm.htm#1607466

...dave
(i do more math in my head on the drive to work than most people do all day [8D])




FullCircle -> RE: Contact Math (5/30/2008 2:11:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fungasm
Here is a question for those who contact other users via their private profile: do you have an estimate for your response rate for a generic response versus a targeted one? 


19%, I would draw a pie chart but it would make me hungry, which in turn would lead to the 19% becoming 30%. 




xxblushesxx -> RE: Contact Math (5/30/2008 2:32:48 PM)

I don't send out generic messages, so I can't help you there.
When I *do* send a message, there seems to be a built-in implication that I am interested in them 'that way'.
Well...sometimes.
But also quite often I am complimenting something they said, or a cool new avatar they added, and not interested in anything beyond conversation and friendship.
Men respond 95% of the time (guessing)
Sub women respond 100% of the time if they bother to read the message. If they don't read the message, I guess they assume I am coming on to them.
Dommes respond about 50% of the time. I asked one domme where she got her boots (because I would have liked a pair), but, of course, received no answer.




sub4hire -> RE: Contact Math (5/30/2008 2:46:04 PM)

I don't know, I can tell you my personal mail stats. 
For everyone I know it is a very nice note.  For strangers...maybe 1 in 100 is someone who writes more than one word or a sentence.

I have no profile to read...yet they still can go on and on about things I have said in it.  Mind readers they are, problem is they are just not reading my mind.





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