slaveboyforyou
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The Gettysburg Address by Lincoln ( THE Republican just in case you didnt know...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Republican_politics_1854.E2.80.931860
Started out as:
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
By todays standards he would be tossed into the bin as a bleeding heart Liberal. Lincon was hugely disliked by Democrats ( who wanted peace ) at his time. The Copperheads tried to Oust him in the election of 1864 in fact. He was attacked by factions in his own party as well. The poor guy had one hell of a time.
The Founding Fathers Declaration of Independance is awfuly liberal by todays standards too:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Hmmm...
When you think about it... Liberal is what started our nation and has held it together.
Not the scrabbling for every dime you can squeeze out of the little guy.. that is what we had Monachs for!
Gwyn
Well it's interesting you bring up Lincoln. He's comparable to Bush on many things. In fact, he was considered a tyrant by many people in his time. He was never thought of as a liberal.
Lincoln like Bush suspended Habeus Corpus for secessionists. By the way, secession is allowed under the Constitution. So Lincoln completely ignored the Constitution. Lincoln's and his supporters painted successionists in much the same way that the Bush administration has painted Islamic terrorists. With the suspension of Habeus Corpus, the federal government arrested and detained successionists without cause. Does that remind you of anything? Lincoln pandered to the rich by allowing them to buy their way out of the draft, which sparked the New York draft riots. War profiteering was something allowed and encouraged by the Lincoln adminstration. Lincoln allowed Union troops (most notably Sherman) to conduct a scorched earth military campaign in the South. Allowing troops to terrorize and completely destroy the property of civilians is not what I would call liberal.
Lincoln was hated by many Democrats, just like Bush. But there were actually a few that supported him. Andrew Johnson (Lincoln's VP) was a Democrat and a Southernor. Within the Republican Party, there were dissenters that wanted him gone....just like Bush. The War between the States was hugely unpopular, just like the War on Terrorism.
Liberalism is not what started this country and held it together. Money is what started this country and held it together. As Coolidge said, "the business of America, is business." So actually when you think about it, what is going on is nothing new. The rich have been squeezing the little guy for a long time in this country. In fact the War between the States was about economics, not the morality of slavery. After the war was over, Reconstruction opened up the South to con men looking to exploit the little guy. If history teaches us anything; it's the more things change, the more they stay the same.
< Message edited by slaveboyforyou -- 5/29/2008 8:59:52 AM >
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