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McCain, Obama, Clinton - Positive Quantitative - 5/28/2008 8:33:38 AM

Mercnbeth

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I could do at least 10 pages regarding why each of these people is either unqualified, inexperienced, or not the person who should be elected. There have been countless threads posted seemingly for the only reason to insult and/or call one of them names. Unfortunately soon I'll be calling one of them my President.

I'm hoping that all you advocates for any of the choices can help me get a positive outlook regarding the prospect. I think I've read just about every neutral opinion out there, which isn't much, covering the positive traits of these candidates. It hasn't given me any comfort to vote FOR any of them; but I could give you plenty of reasons to vote against them.

If you have another, third party option, I'd love to hear it. I think that represents a better 'NO' vote than buying into either label on the same political product we are offered. I'm still committed to my 'anti-incumbent' ticket. Which means to be clear - McCain is not a consideration. I guess it needed to be said since a couple Mensa members felt the need to point that out to me.

Lets see how this goes.

The rules are simple:

Provide positives only
Try and keep it quantitative; starting with "I feel..." is opinion, not factually relevant.
No comparative 'positives' (For example he/she isn't as bad as....)
Provide an example of how what they've done in the past gives you confidence in your opinion
Citing a campaign promise - project out how it will be implemented and the expected problems/solutions.
Using qualitative words like 'patriot', 'change', 'advanced thinker', 'intelligent', requires including how you define it.

Responses should also be limited to facts. I know this is in total opposition to what we expect and have come accustomed to in political debate - but what the hell.

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RE: McCain, Obama, Clinton - Positive Quantitative - 5/28/2008 12:09:40 PM

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The most compelling solutions to lifes many problems, will come from non-mainstream thought.   This goes beyond thinking outside the box. It means trying new avenues and possible failure.

Presidents come and go. But to me, I am very important and I alone can best serve my interests.

From where I type this- the roar of the traffic hardly denotes overpriced fuel.

In fact, gadgetry may be useless...as the cost of powering it could make it un-doable.

Instead we should examine how we function day to day and invent ways to better do it.

The forces that be wont allow the grid to be challenged. Sorry? huh- someone that takes ones money then is sorry isnt.

Anyhow the brain is a power venue- it could be the most astounding tool we the peon has.

Use it in new ways.   Now - gives one a runining start.

The grid system is based on untruths.

We have made little progress.   Not compared to what we are capable of.

in short, a leader is not a leader unless he has followers. Dont wait to be lead. Make your own splash.

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RE: McCain, Obama, Clinton - Positive Quantitative - 5/28/2008 4:29:38 PM

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PA hunk,
Appreciate your editorial. Thanks for the input!

It seems nobody can give a positive reason to vote for any of the candidates; a conclusion I agree with and determined long ago. However, like Diogenes, I was on a fool's errand; hoping for at least one positive advocate with more than just rhetoric and banner waving in their opinion.

Looks like were a Nation once again resigned to go to the polls voting 'against' the candidate on the other side of the ballot. The most likely result is a 'Four More Years!' victory for the status quo.

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RE: McCain, Obama, Clinton - Positive Quantitative - 5/28/2008 4:57:48 PM

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I'll begin by saying I am not overly fond of McCain. However....

He has demonstrated a grasp of the changing nature of political realities, both in his comments on Iraq and his desire to continue and make permanent the Bush tax cuts, which he opposed when they were first presented. On the latter, he has quite ruightly noted that to repeal those cuts would be a de facto tax increase. On the former, he grounds his position on Iraq in the reality that Al Qaida is there now, the US is there now, without rehashing the steps (and missteps) that created the situation in Iraq. Acknowledging where things stand today, and charting his proposed Presidential course from today, is a basic foundation block of effective leadership.

He is the only candidate to call for a repeal of that monstrosity known as the Alternative Minimum Tax.

He was the first candidate to propose a 1-year moratorium on earmarks on legislation passed by Congress.

He is the only candidate to argue for a line-item veto to reign in Congressional pork.

It should be fairly noted, also, that these are not 11th hour conversions for him, but have been a staple of his political rhetoric for quite some time.

McCain is not my ideal candidate, but for these reasons, of the big three he has been the most presidential and therefore is the one I will be voting for come November.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/12/politics/main3362320.shtml

http://www.rep-am.com/articles/2008/03/16/news/elections/325285.txt

http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/John_McCain_Tax_Reform.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4528489&page=1

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RE: McCain, Obama, Clinton - Positive Quantitative - 5/28/2008 5:00:13 PM

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The man you hate the worst, OBAMA, has shown excellent campaign skills and grass roots organizational management. It suggests an aptitude the run the White House and to effectively communicate with the American people about what he is doing.

He is committed to bi-partisanship and non divisive politics, which means the likelihood that he can cobble together a consensus for a government agenda is high.

Obama is in his 40s and sports excellent health.

Obama is a self-made man. He's only "elitist" because of his superior abilities to crack the elite, not b/c he came from a privileged family.

He had the foresight to see the IRAQ war as a quagmire before it was launched.

He doesn't pander to "culture war" issues.

Obama will seek to restore fiscal discipline to Congress:

* PAYGO: Obama voted in 2005, 2006, and 2007 to reinstate pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) federal budget rules.

* No-Bid Contracts: Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.

* Against Raising the Federal Debt Limit: In 2006, Obama voted against misguided Republican efforts to raise the statutory debt limit at the same time the Republicans were pushing through massive debt-financed tax cuts for the wealthy.

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RE: McCain, Obama, Clinton - Positive Quantitative - 5/28/2008 9:37:10 PM

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...It seems nobody can give a positive reason to vote for any of the candidates; a conclusion I agree with and determined long ago.

I could have told you that. Oh wait...

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RE: McCain, Obama, Clinton - Positive Quantitative - 5/28/2008 9:43:13 PM

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My only reason to pick up a ballot this year is to vote Yes for gay marriage.

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RE: McCain, Obama, Clinton - Positive Quantitative - 5/29/2008 12:21:35 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The man you hate the worst, OBAMA, has shown excellent campaign skills and grass roots organizational management. It suggests an aptitude the run the White House and to effectively communicate with the American people about what he is doing.

He is committed to bi-partisanship and non divisive politics, which means the likelihood that he can cobble together a consensus for a government agenda is high.

Obama is in his 40s and sports excellent health.

Obama is a self-made man. He's only "elitist" because of his superior abilities to crack the elite, not b/c he came from a privileged family.

He had the foresight to see the IRAQ war as a quagmire before it was launched.

He doesn't pander to "culture war" issues.

Obama will seek to restore fiscal discipline to Congress:

* PAYGO: Obama voted in 2005, 2006, and 2007 to reinstate pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) federal budget rules.

* No-Bid Contracts: Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.

* Against Raising the Federal Debt Limit: In 2006, Obama voted against misguided Republican efforts to raise the statutory debt limit at the same time the Republicans were pushing through massive debt-financed tax cuts for the wealthy.

Pretty much what was said. in the quote. If I had to pick what we have to work with I 'd choose Obama.

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