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outlier -> Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 9:54:23 AM)

 & The Phoenix spacecraft has successfully soft
landed on the polar plane of Mars in an attempt
to look for evidence of water on the Red Planet.

It is already sending back pictures.

University of Arizona site

NASA Mission site

NASA Astronomy Picture of the Day Archive

Enjoy
Outlier




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 10:20:19 AM)

They already have evidence of water ice.  I think their main goal is to look for signs of life or past life.  I am not much of an optimist when it comes to our space program.  I don't think they're going to find anything.  Every picture they take of Mars looks the same to me.  I just can't get all that excited about pictures that look like they were taken in Nevada. 




TheHeretic -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 10:39:32 AM)

          God, I hate modern reporters.  The very last line of the article on Yahoo, should have been in the lead.

Phoenix is not equipped to detect past or present alien life.




camille65 -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 10:40:15 AM)

[sm=abducted.gif] Thanks outlier!




LadyRainfire -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 10:48:21 AM)

Geez, today's picture looks like it could have been taken in the desert or mountains near me... I didn't know I lived on Mars!

(Beam me up, Scotty!)




seeksfemslave -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 11:16:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Every picture they take of Mars looks the same to me.  I just can't get all that excited about pictures that look like they were taken in Nevada. 
Well thats where some "eccentrics" think pics., allegedly of the Moon's surface , were taken.

Keep you eyes open for that Brit. bouncing Mars lander that went "walkies" a few years ago.




Rule -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 11:31:31 AM)

Weird surface with those shallow, squarish holes and humps and the distribution of stones. No life there now. I am no geology expert, but I suspect that the landscape see has been shaped by freezing and thawing.




outlier -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 11:39:14 AM)

OK, Since there seems to be some dispute about the purpose
of this mission I went back to the source for this statement.

NASA mission pages:

"Overview

Mars is a cold desert planet with no liquid water on its surface. But in the Martian arctic, water ice lurks just below ground level. Discoveries made by the Mars Odyssey Orbiter in 2002 show large amounts of subsurface water ice in the northern arctic plain. The Phoenix lander targets this circumpolar region using a robotic arm to dig through the protective top soil layer to the water ice below and ultimately, to bring both soil and water ice to the lander platform for sophisticated scientific analysis."

As for not being excited about it that is fine.  Personally I know it
is 170 million miles away.  Doing this took years of planning. and
work by a large talented team.  Any one of several thousand mistakes
could have caused it to fail.  But they did it and we as a species will be
just a little more knowledgeable because of it.  I think that is worth
acknowledgment and celebration. 

Outlier




christine1 -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 11:45:29 AM)

wow, that's incredible.   i think it's just amazing the things men can imagine and then make happen. 




bipolarber -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 12:26:19 PM)

christine,

Exactly. How jaded do you have to be, when you look at a photograph taken on another planet, and go, "So what?"

Aside from the engineering feat of building something that can make it to Mars (aka the sargasso sea of space probes) chose it's own landing site, and make the decent perfectly despite the 4.5 minute timelag... there's the promise of what that probe will do once it gets into it's mission proper. Establish the existence of water ice, verify the planet's internal temperature, weather patterns near the poles, monitor the seasonal changes. All informatin vital to our understanding of planetary enviromental systems.

No one really seems to bother thinking about it, but we have learned more about the solar system in just the last 35 years than we knew about the Earth in the last 2000 years of exploration. This data has given us additional models to test our knowledge about weather systems, geological dynamics, the formation of the planets, and our own Earth's history.

Funny... did anyone else note that yesterday, the day of this probe's landing, was also the 400th anniversary of Gallileo and his family being threatened with torture by the church, unless he recanted his theory that the Earth went around the sun?

I wonder who won THAT argument of religiously inspired ignorrance?

Suck it, zelots!







LadyRainfire -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 1:16:46 PM)

I think it's cool that we even on Mars, no matter what. But then again, I worked at NASA-Ames Research Center in the communication center. I'm a big fan of NASA TV and so are the monsters. I get lost going through the pictures, losing track of time. They're so beautiful. Yes, I joke about some of them but they are incredible. [;)]




seeksfemslave -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 4:18:21 PM)

Bipolar: I thought the only things that came from the Moon shots were the Teflon frying pan and improved computing power. Both of which would most likely have appeared anyway.
Lets not forget some "dodgy" photographs, not least the launch of the Lunar Excursion Module from the surface of the Moon.
If that was genuine I am a Martian.

I admire the engineering expertise involved. 
I also believe it is wasted on things like going to Mars.

I bet it wont be long before requests are made for more tax payers dollars to manufacture  an "improved" Mars probe.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 4:35:36 PM)

I have no problem with expanding our knowlege of the universe, and I do admire the people involved here.  I understand that it's an incredible feat of engineering to pull this off.  But we have been landing probes on Mars since the 70's.  We all pay for this.  We all pay for the fuck ups that occur as well (like forgetting to convert the measurments to metric on one of the probes).  I want to know when we are going to get a pay off for all of this.  I want to see tangible results, otherwise missions to Mars are a waste of time.  Is Mars just going to be the extraterrestrial version of Antartica?  Are we ever going to actually use space, or is it just where the nerds can pursue their hobbies? 




outlier -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 8:26:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

christine,

Exactly. How jaded do you have to be, when you look at a photograph taken on another planet, and go, "So what?"

Aside from the engineering feat of building something that can make it to Mars (aka the sargasso sea of space probes) chose it's own landing site, and make the decent perfectly despite the 4.5 minute timelag... there's the promise of what that probe will do once it gets into it's mission proper. Establish the existence of water ice, verify the planet's internal temperature, weather patterns near the poles, monitor the seasonal changes. All informatin vital to our understanding of planetary enviromental systems.

No one really seems to bother thinking about it, but we have learned more about the solar system in just the last 35 years than we knew about the Earth in the last 2000 years of exploration. This data has given us additional models to test our knowledge about weather systems, geological dynamics, the formation of the planets, and our own Earth's history.

Funny... did anyone else note that yesterday, the day of this probe's landing, was also the 400th anniversary of Gallileo and his family being threatened with torture by the church, unless he recanted his theory that the Earth went around the sun?

I wonder who won THAT argument of religiously inspired ignorrance?

Suck it, zelots!


bipolarber,

Thank you for your post and especially for the insight concerning Gallileo!
I was not aware of it and I have a special spot in my heart for irony.  So I
really liked learning this. 

Outlier




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 8:42:33 PM)

My favorite museum on the planet is the Deutsches Museum in Munich. They have Galileo's original telescope.

Anyway, this is very cool stuff. CO2 ice needs to be found, as well.




GreedyTop -> RE: Mars Polar Pics from Phoenix for GreedyTop & Camille (5/26/2008 8:50:39 PM)

wow! thats AWESOME!! thanks Outlier!  *smooch*




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