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JohnWarren -> Bush and Bees (5/24/2008 8:37:32 PM)

For the first time, I heard something that gave me hope that George Bush was capable of thinking.  Sadly, a few seconds later, he reconfirmed my worst fears.

You see, Bush compared Iran to a beehive and Islamic people to bees. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVXWAxp_ZB4

Now, to someone who has worked a lot with bees; my first degree in 1967 from the University of Rhode Island was in the School of Natural Resources, I see bees as very interesting creatures.  They are very industrious and peaceful.  Occasionally, one will land on my glass or sandwich when I'm outdoors and a quick shake is all that's needed to send them on their way.  Bee stings are actually rather rare events and not really dangerous unless one is allergic.  I've walked through fields of hives without a single problem.

However, if you attack them or attack the hive, the individual injured bees give off a "help me" chemical which immediately enrages all bees nearby and they ALL attack what they see as the source of the danger.

Put yourself in the position of an Islamic person... a bee by George's description.  How would you see recent history?





DomAviator -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/24/2008 9:23:44 PM)

Well its a valid anaolgy, and I know how I dealt with the bees in my yard.... First I gassed them with a nice organophosphate agent. (Better living through chemistry) Then once the bulk of them were dead or dying - I whipped out my handy dandy 500,000 BTU propane flame thrower from Harbor Freight and I incinerated their hive, their corpses, their wounded and generally any trace of their existence. My backyard is now Bee Free... So lets learn from history - gas and burn works for me. [:D] Bush is has a lot of folksy wisdom - great Texan! [:D] 




Owner59 -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/24/2008 9:54:34 PM)

What a dope.

There`s no such thing as "the beehive theory".

That`s just something he made up.But he talks about the beehive theory, like you know what he`s talking about and it makes sense.

I think he`s just making this up as he goes along.

Can anyone explain "the beehive theory"?





TheHeretic -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/24/2008 9:59:39 PM)

        I think he was referring to JohnWarren's comparison of the bees emitting the danger signal, to the situation we wound up with in the ME.

       I also think he was suggesting extermination as an option, so I'm going to walk away whilst ya'll test his ability to maneuver through missile fire. [8|]




popeye1250 -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/24/2008 10:06:08 PM)

Oh, another New Englander? (Woburn, Mass here)
Well, if you think Bush is a moron you'll *never* be disapointed.
That's as bad as McCain saying that if we don't fight them over there they'll, "follow us home."
"Hey McCain, secure the borders!" Then they can't follow us home.
The morons in the State Dept chided Pakistan for having, ..."too pourous borders."
I'm not making this shit up!
Seven years since 9/11 and that Mexican border is still wide open!
I have a theory that the worst people are the ones attracted to Washington.
Yet, they call people like Obama, and both Clintons "brilliant."
Then you have people like Bush and Kerry who were "legacy" admissions from very wealthy families. A check for $500k will do wonders no matter if you were a "D" student!
That's got to make John Kerry feel "real good", Bush had better marks than him! lol
Wealthy people "buy" degrees.
And they all call themselves "leaders" too!
I don't know about you guys but I don't want to be "led" by anyone in Washington.
I think we should *Hire* a president to "manage" our govt.
The people who (should) be running our govt. aren't in politics.




heartcream -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/24/2008 10:09:40 PM)

Bees are absolutely amazing. They are incredible and make incredible things. Beeswax candles are an entire league of their own. You can run a thread on a piece of beeswax before you sew and the thread will not get caught or bunch up.

Did you know that if a mouse, for example, gets into their hive they kill the mouse but they cannot get the carcass out. The bees cover the dead intruder with bee propolis and the carcass remains 'embalmed' for about 5 years.





Owner59 -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/24/2008 10:13:39 PM)

 They are essential for food production with their cross pollination.





Level -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 3:26:48 AM)

I'm glad this thread wasn't about Aunt Bea's snatch.
 
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In an item headed, "Bush the bee killer," the conservative Washington Times called this an "odd exchange" and suggested that "apparently Bin Laden is the queen bee," implying that Bush's bee-killing has been ineffective.

The beehive metaphor has most commonly been used by critics of Bush's policies. As early as May 2003, terrorism expert Rohan Gunaratna was comparing al Qaeda to a beehive that had been kicked, telling Reuters, "If you attack it what happens? The bees are dispersing and they are finding new queens."

The metaphor was also used in 2004 by then-presidential candidate John Kerry, who charged that, "the triumphalism of this administration....about al-Qaeda on the run has really exceeded reality. What's happened is we broke the beehive, but we didn't kill the bees and we certainly haven't killed the queen bee."

The Times further noted that Bush "brings back bad memories of Joaquin Phoenix in his creepy role as a Roman emperor in 'Gladiator.'" In that movie, the emperor tells a story about the conspirators against his predecessor, the Emperor Claudius, calling them "busy little bees" whose plots were foiled when Claudius said to one of them, "Tell me what you've been doing busy little bee or I shall strike down those dearest to you. You shall watch as I bathe in their blood."


http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_explains_beehive_theory_of_confronting_0519.html




JohnWarren -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 6:23:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Oh, another New Englander? (Woburn, Mass here)


I was born in New England and returned after my stint in the Marines for the bachelors.  Then I swore I'd never again go where water assumed a solid state in nature.  Wouldn't you know it... 30 years later I meet Libby on line and soon I'm back in Boston.  (The earliest not guilty by reason of insanity plea = "lord, the woman tempted me.")  Fortunately, we're down in Florida now.  We're looking at property in Vermont but only for the summer.

quote:


I don't know about you guys but I don't want to be "led" by anyone in Washington.
I think we should *Hire* a president to "manage" our govt.
The people who (should) be running our govt. aren't in politics.


Sadly, I think politics are getting so nasty that the best and brightest are being frightened away.  It's not only from the elected positions, but with anything related to politics.  Look at the case of Jack McGeorge.  He agreed to help the UN look for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq before the war.  The Administration was so desperate to smear the UN teams that they leaked to the press that Jack was a leader of Black Rose.

This sort of thing guarantees that talented people are going to have to shy away from government service.




camille65 -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 6:32:26 AM)

Is Bush aware of the serious problem with the massive decline in the honeybee population?




JohnWarren -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 6:35:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: camille65

Is Bush aware of the serious problem with the massive decline in the honeybee population?


Consider the ramifications of the words "Bush" and "aware" in the same sentence.




Owner59 -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 6:40:08 AM)

Oh that`s all just liberal enviro-nutty talk.[;)]

There`s plenty of bees.I see bees all the time,so....,it must be another made-up crisis,like that climate change non-sense. [8|]






MladyHathor -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 6:59:24 AM)

Responding without reading the other posts--I have an 18 yo in My home now, this is her first year to vote, this is a topic we talk about allot-----we have over the years had spirited discourse at the dinner table---and of course social tolerance or  intolerance is one of those subjects-----John and Libby---I wrestle with this topic allot--I do not feel I am qualified to say another's belief is right or wrong just because its diametrically opposed to Mine---yes there are certain human rights issues that I abhor, but because they do not match Mine--is it right? I don't know--am I more informed as to consequences? Well yeah maybe--I am one of those that, unless I or My family are threatened--walks around the hive--if we are ( as I am allergic)---I am one to call someone to move the hive--erradication is never My first thought--hence, I am not one to go blast some sect because I don't agree---and if not attacked, well why  be the aggressor----the challenge here is that other sects are taught/brainwashed that we are bad, the enemy, the ones to sting to death---bees defend, they don't aggress---Islam is taught to aggress to destroy--their chemicals are in overdrive---attacked--yeah defend, sting like hell---that sad part is--bees when done, leave, its what is---people have to crown a champion even to the elimination of a sect, a race, a country.




camille65 -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 7:00:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

quote:

ORIGINAL: camille65

Is Bush aware of the serious problem with the massive decline in the honeybee population?


Consider the ramifications of the words "Bush" and "aware" in the same sentence.
 Proof that I need that second cup of coffee?  




Mercnbeth -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 8:22:43 AM)

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slaveluci -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 8:30:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level
I'm glad this thread wasn't about Aunt Bea's snatch.
 

No you're not.  You thought it was and that's the only reason you clicked on it, isn't it?  You can tell me[;)]..............luci




JohnWarren -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 8:30:25 AM)

There are a couple of things that you might want to add to the discussion. 

We aren't fighting countries so the old "bomb from this border to the next" doesn't work.  We aren't even fighting a religion.  The "leaders" spouting most of this nonsense are about as close to mainstream Islam as Falwell and Hagee.  Thus the old methods don't work.  Remember McCarthy?  He wasn't really fighting communism; he was fighting liberal Republicans.  He created a world view where he could discredit the thoughtful or tolerant in his own party as "soft on Communism."  The nutcase ragheads are trying to create the same climate in their world and each time we bomb a wedding party or torture someone, we make their case stronger.  When people are scared they fight.

Second, much of this country is scared.  I hear all the time that "they are trying to destroy us."  No one is considering "can they destroy us."  Just consider this.  The radical Islamics haven't been able to take over any country where the vast majority of the population is already Islamic... and they can barely control those.  Just before Bush started talking about attacking Iran, there was a good chance that the population was going to vote out the mullas at the next election.  Of course, after George's retoric, the religious party was able to accuse the liberals of treason and being under Bush's control and they lost big.

These are largely a bunch of idiots who can only control a country by keeping it basically in the Thirteenth Century.  Take over the US; don't make me laugh.  Can they hurt us?  Certainly, but look unemotionally on their one big success, 9/11.  About 3,000 people died that day.  We lose 40,000 people each year to auto accidents.  In one battle in WWI, the allies lost one million men.   Match the 9/11 destruction against one day in the London Blitz.

They can't destroy the US.  They can kill Americans, but they can't kill America.

Sure they are trying to build an atom bomb.  Almost from the time I was born, I've been looking down the barrel of something like 13,000 H bombs controlled by a bunch that was almost as nuts as those sand fleas.  Now, that could destroy America.   It sounds cold, but look at it rationally.  We could lose a city.  Maybe two.  America would live.  I'm not going to go into our response but it would be horrible.

It's often said that these people don't care if they live or die.  That might be true of some of the rank and file, but think for a moment, to be a leader one has to be around for a long time.  That means they passed up a lot of chances to "die for the cause."   Maybe they are just as reluctant to meet Allah as most of us are to meet God.

Franklin said "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."  That's never been truer than now.

They can't kill American, but if we aren't cautious, WE can.




MladyHathor -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 8:51:24 AM)

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Franklin said "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."  That's never been truer than now.

They can't kill American, but if we aren't cautious, WE can.


Bingo! and we and we by actions are allowing our politicians to do so.




Aynne -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 8:55:49 AM)

[:D]
ha ha ha ha... sad but true.  Hey how come the New Englanders on this board are so clever..[8D]


quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

quote:

ORIGINAL: camille65

Is Bush aware of the serious problem with the massive decline in the honeybee population?


Consider the ramifications of the words "Bush" and "aware" in the same sentence.




Aynne -> RE: Bush and Bees (5/25/2008 8:59:32 AM)

www.perspectives.com

One of the largest online political forums in the world Merc.  Been posting there for years.




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