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GreedyTop -> Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/21/2008 9:45:45 PM)

and land near a sign that says Jesus is Lord





faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/21/2008 9:49:40 PM)

no doubt this will be movie material.




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/21/2008 10:04:53 PM)

can we say "coincidence"?




GreedyTop -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/21/2008 11:54:47 PM)

coinkydink? I think NOT!*snicker*




sirsholly -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 4:13:53 AM)

great story~~~thanks GT!!




Aileen1968 -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 4:43:42 AM)

What the story didn't tell you was that it was Jesus who initially siphoned the gas out of the tank because he couldn't afford to fill up his SUV (Yes, Jesus drives an SUV).




sirsholly -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 4:45:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

What the story didn't tell you was that it was Jesus who initially siphoned the gas out of the tank because he couldn't afford to fill up his SUV (Yes, Jesus drives an SUV).


whew.....thats good to know!! Now i don't feel guilty for driving my gas hogging SUV....




thornhappy -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 4:51:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

What the story didn't tell you was that it was Jesus who initially siphoned the gas out of the tank because he couldn't afford to fill up his SUV (Yes, Jesus drives an SUV).


whew.....thats good to know!! Now i don't feel guilty for driving my gas hogging SUV....


And here I thought it was Jesus' way of pointing out to the pilot that he lacked the brains to monitor his fuel status.... and perhaps should pick another hobby!  [:D]




DomAviator -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 5:07:23 PM)

They should have the pilots balls.... Has he never heard of minimums??? Fuel to fly to the first airport of intended landing, then to the alternate, then for 45 minutes thereafter for example. Incompetent boob!!!!  




cjan -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 5:15:25 PM)

Plenty of dumbasses run out of fuel. I've even heard of a number of cases where the pilot thinks he is out of fuel,runs the engine dry, but there is still plenty of fuel in the other wing tank. Duh.




DomAviator -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 7:35:49 PM)

Yeah I know and thats the problem... There should be no dumbasses flying. I kind of hate the VFR only 40 hour private pilot rating. It provides a pathway for rich assholes to fly, and a lot of instructors kiss their asses cause of the money they are paying...  (As an instructor, a case in point Doctors. Generally if I hear someone is a doctor I dump them because Ive had nothing but trouble training doctors. They seem to think med school taught them everything about everything. Ironically lawyers are the opposite, they want to learn every little detail.) If it were up to me, which unfortunately it isnt, the time for private would be expanded to 100 hours and would include a mandatory instrument rating. (I seldom train private students cause I dont want to deal with them, but when I do I start "integrated" (visual and instrument concurrently) instruction from the first lesson and I train to airline / military standards. Ie - when a student of mine finishes his private , nevermind the private pilot checkride they could pass an air carrier line check and they will complete the tasks to the practical test standards for the commercial or ATP rather than private rating.)  The law is (for VFR) 30 minutes of fuel reserve in the daytime 45 at night, and I personally always fly to instrument standards - fuel to the intended airport, then the alternate, then an addl 45 min.




Termyn8or -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 9:09:23 PM)

I got a question, if enough people hijack a thread in the same direction, is it still a hijack ? Additionally, if a Man can't hear his Woman in the forest, and a tree falls is he still......Never mind that one.

DA, I respect the ability to pilot an aircraft. I know what it takes, but I also know that I do not have what it takes. At 47 I am not going to start now.

But I have known people who got into it, just privately, small wing stuff. When the one was in the course, fuel was discussed alot. It is alot more important in those little Cessnas and what have you. Air direction and speed are stressed, vs your flight path. Over a certain amount of head or tailwind in these flea powered craft can be a big problem. These things are so on the edge, that everything matters. Some barely have the HP to get up. No way you want to take off or land in a tailwind. Sometimes you have to turn around. Ideally you got the headwind, take off and fly to the destination in a tailwind, and if it is sustained you have to turn around again to land. If you fly into a headwind and don't take it into account, you might never reach the destination.

That can all be figured out, it gets even more complex when the wind is perpendicular to the path. You walk up to these things and you might (well not you) think they're big, but put them in the sky and they are small all the sudden.

Fuel is blood.

T




DomAviator -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 9:52:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I got a question, if enough people hijack a thread in the same direction, is it still a hijack ? Additionally, if a Man can't hear his Woman in the forest, and a tree falls is he still......Never mind that one.

DA, I respect the ability to pilot an aircraft. I know what it takes, but I also know that I do not have what it takes. At 47 I am not going to start now.

But I have known people who got into it, just privately, small wing stuff. When the one was in the course, fuel was discussed alot. It is alot more important in those little Cessnas and what have you. Air direction and speed are stressed, vs your flight path. Over a certain amount of head or tailwind in these flea powered craft can be a big problem. These things are so on the edge, that everything matters. Some barely have the HP to get up. No way you want to take off or land in a tailwind. Sometimes you have to turn around. Ideally you got the headwind, take off and fly to the destination in a tailwind, and if it is sustained you have to turn around again to land. If you fly into a headwind and don't take it into account, you might never reach the destination.

That can all be figured out, it gets even more complex when the wind is perpendicular to the path. You walk up to these things and you might (well not you) think they're big, but put them in the sky and they are small all the sudden.

Fuel is blood.

T


Termy,  I know I teach that course - (when I cant avoid it) Its actually not that hard to do fuel management. its in the book (Approved handbook for the aircraft). If the aircraft has a fuel burn of 7.5 gph and you plan a 2 hour flight you need 15 gallons , if your alternate is 15 minutes from your promary you need 1.875 to get to it, and then another 5.625 gallons for 45 min reserve for a total of 22.5 gallon to get to your destination, the alternate, and 45 min thereafter. They arent as fragile as you think and the crosswind correction is a matter of two dots on the back of an E6B flight computer. Airspeeds, weight and balance, etc are every bit as important in an FA-18 or a 777 as it is in a Cessna 150. A 777, or even the space shuttle., flown at too high an angle of attack or below the stall speed will drop just like a J3 cub will. As for the "they are on the edge" thing - actually a small plane has less to worry about than a big one. With one engine you dont have "failure of the most critical engine" or assymetric thrust issues. Losing an engine during take off climb in any twin including a 737 is a real "Please pass the new underpants" moment whereas a single it is "land straight ahead"... Actually small planes are more forgiving and safer due to the lower stall speeds. 




Irishknight -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 10:11:07 PM)

Having had the  ... pleasure of being in a rotor wing aircraft (I always loved it when they called our helos rotor wing) that had to do an emergency landing, I think they were probably just fine.  I have experienced nothing that made me need clean shorts more than an autorotation.  The pilot did a fantastic job and nobody was hurt but it still makes me twinge to think about it 20 years later.  As DA said, cessnas are pretty forgiving.




Termyn8or -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 11:03:05 PM)

DA, these old dudes had no schmantzy flight computers. They had to learn enough math to do the vector algebra thing. This was a long time ago. One of them is in their eighties now.

Ik, I have heard plenty about autorotation, and know a bit of basic physics, you are for a hell of a ride. Hope you're strapped in tight. First thing is to get down, you still have control of the main rotor and it's swash plate. Get down NOW. Try not to hit a house or car, roads are not that good of a choice. If you can swim, water is a good choice. But speed is of the utmost essence, the faster you spin the rougher the ride. Even water can bust the cockpit to smitherines.

Anyawy, just for the hell of it, put the two issues together, what about a helicopter (rotor wing aircraft) that runs out of fuel ? Now you got nuthin.

T




GreedyTop -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 11:46:46 PM)

great.. now you've just made me feel hinky about any heli rides I may take in the future




Termyn8or -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/22/2008 11:51:51 PM)

So I do have a purpose in life after all.

T




Justme696 -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/23/2008 12:22:49 AM)

did the praying work?




Irishknight -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/23/2008 6:51:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

did the praying work?

In my circumstance, the praying amounted to "Ohfuckohfuckohfuckohfuck......"  Apparently, somewhere there seems to be a god or goddess who answers to that because we came down with only minor damage to the craft and some soiled underwear.




cjan -> RE: Pilots run out of fuel, start praying... (5/23/2008 6:51:08 AM)

DA, I think your approach of preparing your students to fly IFR is great. I also agree that it should be mandated for every new pilot, it would make flying safer for everyone. VFR conditions on takeoff can become IFR enroute, Especially for a novice pilot, this can spell tragedy. JFK Jr. comes to mind. I wonder, if he had been trained for IFR conditions, might he and his fiancee still be with their families. 




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