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pahunkboy -> squarters up- foreclosed empty homes (5/19/2008 8:46:43 AM)

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2849018120080519

if anyone is =shocked- ...it has been along time coming.  cash for key scams to do an eviction.

isnt wall street a wonderful custodian of Americas money ?




TheHeretic -> RE: squarters up- foreclosed empty homes (5/19/2008 10:16:57 PM)

       We had a real problem with that kind of thing in this area the last time the housing market crashed, back in the early 90's.

        People would change all the locks, move in like they belonged there, and drag it out as long as possible in court.  Laws vary widely, I'm sure, but in CA, if you can get the utilities turned on and mail delivered, the case can last for years.  The scam of becoming the landlord of a house you don't own was going here back then too.




winterlight -> RE: squarters up- foreclosed empty homes (5/19/2008 10:41:58 PM)

Why is this surprising? Been done before. This goes back to years and years.




Termyn8or -> RE: squarters up- foreclosed empty homes (5/19/2008 11:46:20 PM)

Y'know I actually considered that. I wouldn't do it but I know I could. We got two places in this neighborhood that are likely to remain vacant for some time.

First of all I wouldn't do it because eventually the shit hits the fan and they get screwed. Secondly what do I get out of it, five to seven grand a year ? Not worth it because it is fraud and therefore a felony.

Howeve we do enjoy having the extra parking. Oh yeah, have a big party and the street is all parked up ? Just take either that driveway or that one. My one neighbor who has since moved used the one driveway for about two years, for most of that time parked two vans there. For his business, he does route sales. I called him, not the owner of the house, him, technically a squatter to get him to move his trucks so we could by buddy's 24' boat there. I kid you not. He would be gone, so he put the keys out, in one of those magnetic key boxes and gave me the code to the alarm for the other van.

The other free driveway is even better because you can get out without everybody behind you having to move.

I know a couple of homeless people, although I haven't seen them in a while. I would just tell them to kick in the back door, don't wreck the place and be quiet and, well so far they could've been there for five years at least. The place has been vacant for a very long time. Actually it is a good thing to park in the drive, makes the place look lived in and these days you have to worry about people coming and cutting out the plumbing for scrap.

Actually I am surprised nobody is actually running a game like that. You call to get utilities they don't check ownership, unless there is a big bill owed. I could have rented the place out the whole time. I could have lied to the neighbors and told them I bought it. We could have renewed a five year lease by now. Who would be the wiser ?

Jail. Tell you this, the don't want me, no matter how many warrants I have, but this would be a felony, and there is no way to do it without a paper trail leading right to my front door. Then they WILL lock me up, of that I am sure. But I could hand it off to someone with no roots, someone who could be gone in a heartbeat.

Fuck that, I am not going to support nor condone any shit like this. It may look tempting, but it would only increase my income what 15% ? Fuck that. Now if I could SELL the house,,,,,,, just forget it. Go to fucking work Termy, that way policeman be nice to you.

You know what gets me though, I just remember something about Ohio law. There is an abandonment statute, and if you pay the property taxes for X amount of years you can file for title to the property LEGALLY. I don't know if it is still on the books and I am sure there are exemptions especially because usually when you have a loan on property the lender actually remits the property tax. But what if they haven't ?

The story on this one makes it a prime candidate, really. Couple bought the house off the family, perhaps 20 years ago or so. They split up and made a big mess out of the whole affair. The place was already mortgaged up and then came the home improvement loan. Well she lived there with the kid for a while but she has been gone for around a decade. He went to another state and got another loan on the place, and committed fraud, his olady didn't sign. He brought in his new girlfriend to do that. Nothing was questioned.

Now the place is mortgaged for alot more than it is worth. It used to be something on the order of 150-180%, but with accrued interest and penalties and the market bubble bursting, it is much higher than that now. If that abandonment law is still on the books and nobody paid those property taxes all them years I will have to kick myself. I could've been a LEGAL squatter. I mean that place has central AC, I don't even have central AC.

Yes I would have to kick my own ass.

T




Level -> RE: squarters up- foreclosed empty homes (5/20/2008 2:15:08 AM)

It's 4 AM and I'm laughing at "squarters". Nothing more, sorry. [8D]




BlackPhx -> RE: squarters up- foreclosed empty homes (5/20/2008 5:05:19 AM)

Long ago and far away, back in the 60's and extending into the 80's Sqautters could take over an abandoned building in NYC, and as long as they began making improvements (making it habitable) and filed with the city, within 5 years they would own it. Many a Coop started that way in the early years thanks to "Hippies" taking over buidlings in the lower East Side and other areas that needed gentrification. The building had to have defaulted to the City for taxes, fines or something like that. That was then..

I suspect this may come around again in some area.  There was an article a couple of days back where a man who had been squatting in a public park in the UK for 12 years was deemed to have a deed for the space his shack was on and it was blocking a multi-million pound real eastate development deal. There are still sqautters laws on the books in many locations, and you would be surprised at the rights they convey over the ones the legal owner has.

poenkitten 




camille65 -> RE: squarters up- foreclosed empty homes (5/20/2008 5:12:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Actually I am surprised nobody is actually running a game like that. You call to get utilities they don't check ownership, unless there is a big bill owed. I could have rented the place out the whole time. I could have lied to the neighbors and told them I bought it. We could have renewed a five year lease by now. Who would be the wiser ? 

T
 I've always had to show proof that I'm living in, or own the location when signing up for new utilities. Usually delivered mail in my name.




kc692 -> RE: squarters up- foreclosed empty homes (5/20/2008 9:54:15 PM)

" Cash for Keys" itself is not a scam.  It IS used by banks, and even the VA in an effort to get ex owners out without extra expense of evictions, and also to ensure that the property is left in a lendable condition, not torn up and demolished "on the way out the door".  In a perfect world(which I know it isnt) the real estate broker who handled the cash for keys arrangement, should be contracted to do the premarketing steps and also maintain the property in preperation of resale.

It may be different where there are more evictions of landowners, but there is no reason a squatter should gain entry if a LOCAL person or entity has helped the mortgage company take possession of the property.

Not to hijack the thread,  and may start a new one, (even though the subject has partially been visited once in the past) but last week, I was doing a second broker price opinion on a property that an agent had just given cash for keys to the owners 3 days before.  She had checked the property to make sure it was broom clean, but accepted the word of the owners they were coming back for their pets.  3 days later, I arrive at the property to find a dog that had not been fed or watered in 3 days, and had been abandoned.   Itll make your heart SICK....I tell ya...

Sorry for the hijack, back to the thread.




Termyn8or -> RE: squarters up- foreclosed empty homes (5/20/2008 11:59:40 PM)

So the whole problem is that people fuck too much so we need more houses.

They don't care about the kids, and you want to talk dogs ?

But wait, there are people living under bridges and empty houses. If this was the socialist/commuinist society we have been led to believe we have been tricked into, this would not happen would it.?

I smell a rat. (could be lots of rats, possibly 535 of them)

I got a guy who will run the scam on both these houses. I'll teach him how. Not that I ever done it but when you know how to do shit you know how to do shit. Fuck it, the paper trail will never come to me, and he can be gone anytime. If I hook him up like this, he better pay up the five Cs he owes me. Motherfucker. He better or my guilt load might have to increase.

Fuck this, do y'all have any idea how much money I am owed ? Fuck it I will use up their names. To schill these houses and get my cut and get me license plates for a few years. (that is a different story).

Rich motherfuckers don't work, why should we ?

Closer to the root of the problem ? Sorry.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: squarters up- foreclosed empty homes (5/21/2008 11:20:43 AM)

simple answer. possession is 9/10 of the law.   problem solved.

Oddly- in this small town- people as a rule leave vacant houses alone.  Tho- each surrounding neighbor know who shits where and at what time and how many times.

I used to hate that when I first moved her from a metro. But now I see the beauty in it.

No squarters.

OH- while Im at it here- jail is no free room; we [countywide] charge $x a day for your stay.   (we'll leave a light on for yas')




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