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RE: Global Warming: The Pause That Refreshes? - 5/18/2008 3:53:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: christine1
there are more people in the world than al?  well smack me in the head with a pop can and call me a bran muffin...really, who knew?


I'm just wondering why you brought Al Gore into the discussion because apart from the fact he was the only popular politician prepared to stand up and say something unpopular that needed to be said he has nothing to do with the discussion here. Yes he is a figure head for the fight against global warming because he has looked at the various studies that indicate we are facing a man made catastrophe. In fact we are already seeing evidence of its devastation in terms of the number of hurricanes; maybe you thought you were just unlucky to face so many of them in a row recently?

I didn't really like Al Gore myself before I took some time to hear his views and in fairness I've only seen a part of his film but even looking at that small part I realised America had narrowly missed out on electing a really passionate leader that could have had some sway with other nations in getting this problem dealt with as a collective because no one can do it alone not Europe, not the US, not China, not Japan.

It's not very American to see a problem and not look at the economic advantages of trying to solve it; America could have been leading the world exporting green technology to the rest of the world and helped it's own economy out by doing so, now you have record debt and are facing a global slowdown; so even ignoring the problem to promote your own economy failed to work. Bush gambled on the fact he could put off the issue until he was almost out of office hence why he gave that speech a few weeks ago acknowledging the fact something needs to be done; you elected a political coward in George Bush. You don’t even realise more people around the world will be displaced and killed by global warming than the other war you are fighting. It’s an indication that God really doesn’t exist when some of the predicted worst effected by this problem are the third world countries that did not have a hand in creating it.

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RE: Global Warming: The Pause That Refreshes? - 5/18/2008 3:58:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Sorry Full.  Isimply missed your post.  I was in the middle of something else.  I will read your links as well. 


Thank you for raising the issue for discussion and sorry I leapt down your throat in some of my replies.

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RE: Global Warming: The Pause That Refreshes? - 5/18/2008 4:55:56 AM   
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The problem I have about global warming is not the theory itself but the people who believe in it.

The problem I have is with the people who believe that it is a scientific fact. I think it goes against every prinicple that makes up the scientific method to say that anyone who questions global warming should be discredited and minimalized. Science is all about test, and retest, and retest, and retest, and so and so on... Theory after theory is tested over and over again under different conditions. And the results must be conclusive to arrive at any conclusion. And even when that conclusion is made, other scientists should be encouraged to test and retest and retest it again. That's how the scientific method works.

People who believe in man-made global warming however want to discredit and punish any scientist who questions the theory. That's no different than when the Catholic church banished Galileo for questioning scientific theories supported by the institutions.


Cyberdude, you obviously don't read what people write because I have never seen anyone say global warming is a scientific fact. Though I suspect you know that and ignore that little inconvenience.
 
What people like me show a concern about is the destruction of our habitat which is a fact, we can actually measure deforestation and increased desertification of the planet. We can actually measure the pollutants in the atomosphere. We know that over harvesting land and over fishing is having a devastating effect our vital resources. To some extent we know that the reasons why many species are on the verge of extinction. So without even considering human influence on the climate we know humans are destroying their own habitat and over harvesting resources our way of living relies on and we know it can't go on without serious consequences. Throw into the mix climate change which humans might or might not be influencing, then the most rational response would be to err on the side of caution and treat our habitat with the repect we would treat our own homes.

I suspect you don't shit in your living room and piss in your drinking water so why do we actually do the equivalent of that to our habitat?

We know why, as a society we are addicted to instant material gratification and we don't give a shit about the generations that come after us. We have to have our SUVs, our oversized refrigerators, our air conditioners apart for all the throw away crap we buy to make us feel good for a few seconds when we need a hit. The fact is the way we are consuming now, if everyone had the same standard of living as an average American we would need the resources of ten planet earths. The math don't add up.

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