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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/12/2008 9:44:41 PM   
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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/12/2008 11:23:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lady E, I commented on this in a previous thread some weeks back. I think the benefits system has encouraged people to take the easier option, but also, I see inherent laziness in younger generations. While I was growing up, and generations before me, we took pride in getting their/our first job and until the ages of sixteen, seventeen and eighteen, we took weekend jobs so that we could earn our own 'pocket' money - nothing was ever just given to me. If I wanted something I had to work to earn it. I don't know about you, but out of this money I was encouraged to give my parents something each week to help towards my keep. Younger generations no longer have that issue. We've killed our kids' motivation with kindness - by giving it all to them on a plate. I see 'career' students, and by that I mean people who lack the motivation to get a job so take the easier option - they go through the education system getting degree after degree which will provide them zero income - take the political science degree, where are the students that graduated with their degrees? They're working in shops, banks, temping for agencies, relying on their parents to support them while drawing their JSA, or pondering yet 'further education'.

Some weeks back farmers were complaining that they could not get people from the UK to pick crops which would give them an annual income of 23k. Why? It's too much hard work for the average brit who has never HAD to work.

Further education needs to start with a revision of our benefits system.

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/12/2008 11:30:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		hmm... do ya think if I contacted the Consulate here and said I'd be willing to pick berries that theyd give me a work visa??

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/12/2008 11:40:16 PM   
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Sorry, Greedy..I have a morbid sense of humour today, likely b/c I have to go to work now! Have a great day hon x

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/12/2008 11:52:12 PM   
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For those Colonel Blimps muttering the British unemployed are lazy for not picking strawberries had better explain how they're going to get from Wales to East Anglia each day to pick them, for example. It's not too difficult to work out the centres of mass unemployment aren't where the strawberries are; the lack of mass housing in the middle of the fields might be a give away.

Two figures being put together doesn't mean a connection. Otherwise, pirates cause global warming.

As an aside, this "no pickers" strawberry story runs every few years. It's strawberry farmers preparing their customers for serious price rises this time round.

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/12/2008 11:56:32 PM   
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Sorry, Greedy..I have a morbid sense of humour today, likely b/c I have to go to work now! Have a great day hon x


*smooch* sweet lady have a great day!

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 12:11:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Two figures being put together doesn't mean a connection. Otherwise, pirates cause global warming. "

That is very very good.

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 2:29:15 AM   
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England, particularly the British Royals, has very close ties to what happens in the U.S. The British own lots of properties abroad. It's part of the whole tax exile thing - they own abroad and fudge on the taxes back home.


So true. British investment in the US is enormous and the reason the British government rather stupidly ties itself in with US foreign policy at what appears to many Europeans as being against their own interest. Its against the interest of most Brits but not the rich.

I notice the hedge fund bosses are sitting pretty in the carribean with all their ill gotten gain. One assumes the politicians get their share for not regulating a market that cries out for more regulation.

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 2:45:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PainSmith

All the usual bonehead arguments are being aired today, huh!

For those Colonel Blimps muttering the British unemployed are lazy for not picking strawberries had better explain how they're going to get from Wales to East Anglia each day to pick them, for example. It's not too difficult to work out the centres of mass unemployment aren't where the strawberries are; the lack of mass housing in the middle of the fields might be a give away.

Two figures being put together doesn't mean a connection. Otherwise, pirates cause global warming.

As an aside, this "no pickers" strawberry story runs every few years. It's strawberry farmers preparing their customers for serious price rises this time round.



Thing is, there are plenty of able bodied unemployed very near these places. Take the Vale Of Evesham for example - huge amounts of work available in picking and packing all manner of fruits and vegetables. Aside from Evesham itself, close by are the towns of south Warwickshire, north Gloucestershire, Worcestershire itself - why even Birmingham is less than an hour away. Plenty of people available - and the same goes for all these places across the UK. We dont need the fruit areas to be near areas of mass unemployment or vice versa - just average unemployment will do to provide enough pickers and packers.

And the no pickers story is a little different this time around
- few east Europeans want to do it
- no Brits want to do it
- the UK has excluded immigrants from non-EU countries from coming

Still, it'll be OK - because we will be able to buy strawberries that have been brought from across the known world for cheaper than UK farmers can grow them.
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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 3:00:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hit the nail right on the head, especially the workshy! It's about time the US sysyem is introduced where if you out of work for a set period and you can not prove you've made genuine efforts to find legal gainful employment, then the job centre will find you a job which you have to take! If you refuse you loose all of your benefits. A nice job out in the open, lots of fresh air and exercise picking fruit!
I bet there would a large element who would baulk at this, get off their lazy arses off of the sofa, out of the pub or bookis and go get a job. You are quite correct in stating why there was such a desperate need for migrant seasonal workers. Still, you do find students still doing this work, it's an excellent way of supplementing the grant.

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 3:44:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		But its not simply being workshy Brigand - its the rigmarole of coming off benefits and then having to reapply when what is seasonal work ends - it just isnt worth the hassle for a few months good work.

We have to seriously look at the whole thing with new eyes.

Lets also bear in mind we have thousands of asylum seekers here, detained at her majesty's pleasure (for want of better terminology), who would jump at the chance of being out in the open picking fruit and earning a living. Many of them from Zimbabwe are the former farm workers of white farmers, so they know exactly what theyre doing, no need for training.

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 4:48:34 AM   
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Many of them from Zimbabwe are the former farm workers of white farmers, so they know exactly what theyre doing, no need for training.


Is this an attempt at humour?  Have you actually heard of de-skilling?  The idea that a Zimbawean nurse, doctor or teacher would be better employed picking fruit for a "white farmer" than practising their profession is wholly ludicrous, the idea that many Zimbabwean farmworkers are here rather than SA or Mozambique highly unlikely - financial resources are a factor.  I think you might benefit from a bit of fruit-picking, making your position available to someone from that pool of labour. 


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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 5:06:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		RL - a Zimbabwean nurse, doctor or teacher would be best back in Zimbabwe if and when the conditions improve. In the meantime they could be of use to us in their chosen professions here. What is absolutely crazy is to have them cooped up in asylum prisons when they could be doing something useful and having a much better time outdoors picking fruit, if our Home Office refuses to take the opportunities their professional skills offer us.

And I will stand by the idea that there are many former farm workers here - chased off by Zanu PF thugs as collaborators and beaten as possible MDC supporters, theyre just as likely to make their way here as any other group.

And for your information, I have picked fruit thanks. It was a nice little earner for schoolkids back in the mid 80s.

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 6:18:42 AM   
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It was a nice little earner for schoolkids back in the mid 80s.



A typo?  Surely you mean the 90's? 

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 6:59:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well thank you RL, but no, I mean the mid 80s.

I was 40 last December. Quite how that happened I'm not sure. One minute I was 25 and full of hopes and plans, the next thing I'm 40

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 7:41:18 AM   
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It was a nice little earner for schoolkids back in the mid 80s.



A typo?  Surely you mean the 90's? 


I don't think Lady Ellen was a "schoolkid" in the 90's

I wonder if they would give me a work visa. I need a job. I can pick fruit. Hmmmmm I could meet all the lovely ladies from the UK, that I only get to dream about right now.

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 7:43:18 AM   
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Well thank you RL, but no, I mean the mid 80s.

I was 40 last December. Quite how that happened I'm not sure. One minute I was 25 and full of hopes and plans, the next thing I'm 40

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 7:44:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Must make a note to cross orfunboi off the Christmas card list........

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 7:52:26 AM   
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Must make a note to cross orfunboi off the Christmas card list........

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Huh, I meant that in a good way. You appear young and beautiful in both picture and post.

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RE: them lazy immigrants - 5/13/2008 8:10:13 AM   
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