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subfever -> Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/5/2008 10:46:46 PM)

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Termyn8or -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/6/2008 6:50:56 AM)

Not the first time, and probably won't be the last. Some free country eh ?

T




subfever -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/6/2008 5:26:30 PM)

Free? About as free as a meal at Alinea's.

But I fear that the sheeple won't catch on until the PTB tries to regulate how we pick our noses and wipe our asses. By then, it'll be too late... if it isn't too late already. 




Termyn8or -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/6/2008 6:35:14 PM)

Perhaps true patriots should get proactive in law enforcement. I mean get your neighbor thrown in jail for not having his garbage can lids on, or failing to recycle. Get the city inspectors in everywhere, report imaginary bad smells and shit like that.

Do eveything possible to get the government down everybody's throat.

Think it has a chance ?

T




stella41b -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/6/2008 9:28:35 PM)

Funny how things have changed... isn't it? 13 December 1981 martial law was imposed in Poland under General Jaruszelski which was to last a little over three years before it was mysteriously lifted on 1 January 1984. The Soviet tanks did not advance into Poland.

Nobody notices or cares it seems that we are more oppressed than those Poles were between 1981 and 1984.

BTW have you heard the one about freedom and democracy in the West?




Irishknight -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/7/2008 4:17:01 PM)

Hmm...  I am torn on this one.  While I don't like the tactics, he gave them the reason when he turned in his permit.  Its almost like baiting a hungry pit bull.  "Come get this nice steak you half starved beast."  I wonder if it wouldn't have been better for him to have not drawn the extra attention and continued selling illegal yogurt?
Mind you, I did not know you need "milk licenses" either.  The whole thing strikes me as pretty effed up on all sides.




subfever -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/7/2008 8:52:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Perhaps true patriots should get proactive in law enforcement. I mean get your neighbor thrown in jail for not having his garbage can lids on, or failing to recycle. Get the city inspectors in everywhere, report imaginary bad smells and shit like that.

Do eveything possible to get the government down everybody's throat.

Think it has a chance ?

T


Seems to me they're doing a fine job already without active participation of the sheeple.




subfever -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/7/2008 8:54:31 PM)

quote:

BTW have you heard the one about freedom and democracy in the West?


By all means, give us the punch line!




Termyn8or -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 1:18:53 PM)

You have to get this unpasteurized, unhomogenized and unstabilized milk off the streets ! It is killing people, oops, not killing people.

We need to do something, get the SWAT team.

I drank raw milk and look what happened to me. You want another one of me in the world ?

No wonder they are so adamant about it.





stella41b -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 2:51:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I drank raw milk and look what happened to me. You want another one of me in the world ?

T


That's nothing. Look what KFC did to me.




Irishknight -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 5:20:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You have to get this unpasteurized, unhomogenized and unstabilized milk off the streets ! It is killing people, oops, not killing people.



RUN!  IT'STHE MILK POLICE!!!! 




Sanity -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 5:56:56 PM)

quote:


Drinking raw (untreated) milk or eating raw milk products is "like playing Russian roulette with your health," says John Sheehan, director of the Food and Drug Administration's Division of Dairy and Egg Safety. "We see a number of cases of foodborne illness every year related to the consumption of raw milk."

More than 300 people in the United States got sick from drinking raw milk or eating cheese made from raw milk in 2001, and nearly 200 became ill from these products in 2002, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Raw milk may harbor a host of disease-causing organisms (pathogens), such as the bacteria campylobacter, escherichia, listeria, salmonella, yersinia, and brucella.

Common symptoms of foodborne illness from many of these types of bacteria include diarrhea, stomach cramps, fever, headache, vomiting, and exhaustion.

Most healthy people recover from foodborne illness within a short period of time, but others may have symptoms that are chronic, severe, or life-threatening.

People with weakened immune systems, such as elderly people, children, and those with certain diseases or conditions, are most at risk for severe infections from pathogens that may be present in raw milk. In pregnant women, Listeria monocytogenes-caused illness can result in miscarriage, fetal death, or illness or death of a newborn infant. And Escherichia coli infection has been linked to hemolytic uremic syndrome, a condition that can cause kidney failure and death.

Some of the diseases that pasteurization can prevent are tuberculosis, diphtheria, polio, salmonellosis, strep throat, scarlet fever, and typhoid fever.
Pasteurization and Contamination

The pasteurization process uses heat to destroy harmful bacteria without significantly changing milk's nutritional value or flavor. In addition to killing disease-causing bacteria, pasteurization destroys bacteria that cause spoilage, extending the shelf life of milk.

Milk can become contaminated on the farm when animals shed bacteria into the milk. Cows, goats, and sheep carry bacteria in their intestines that do not make them sick but can cause illness in people who consume their untreated milk or milk products.

But pathogens that are shed from animals aren't the only means of contamination, says Tom Szalkucki, assistant director of the Wisconsin Center for Dairy Research at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Cows can pick up pathogens from the environment just by lying down--giving germs the opportunity to collect on the udder, the organ from which milk is secreted. "Think about how many times a cow lays down in a field or the barn," says Szalkucki. "Even if the barn is cleaned thoroughly and regularly, it's not steamed. Contamination can take place because it's not a sterile environment."

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2004/504_milk.html





NumberSix -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 6:02:29 PM)

Not good science, not good fantasy.

300 cakked?  So, it is considerably less dangerous than say walking, or fucking.


We need to spend billions on this senseless tragedy.  




Sanity -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 6:10:53 PM)

Considering that the vast majority of milk is pasturized, 300 is really a lot.

And remember Katrina, how the left screamed that George Bush doesn't care because he didn't force the city of New Orleand or the state of Lousiana into into a forced evacuation prior to the storm hitting? Imagine the left's reactoion if he let unpasturized milk kill that many people every year, mostly infants and the elderly.






NumberSix -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 6:58:06 PM)

Sanity, 

You know me under another moniker, mnottertail.

I have scoured the medical journals, the liberal media rags and done a due diligence and no lefties are raising any hue and cry about arbusto poisoning people over raw milk, it is surely imagination.

I see stuff like Iraq, the economy, the general malaise, nothing about family of roquefort cheeses such as gammel ost (old cheese, meaning cheese made the old way)--- most of these are raw cheeses and have been made without serious detriment to society since christ was a corporal, and how arbusto is augering us in the ground due to his lack of diligence in the realm of cow titties. 

This tempest in a teapot is not going to go the distance with heart medication costing some 200-2000 a month for our seniors.

I wouldn't get too upset about THAT.





NumberSix -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 7:01:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


And remember Katrina, how the left screamed that George Bush doesn't care because he didn't force the city of New Orleand or the state of Lousiana into into a forced evacuation prior to the storm hitting?



Yet,  Condi Rice made just such a finely crafted argument about Bhurma in the wake of those troubles, it was on TV.

So, I dunno.........




dcnovice -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 7:04:00 PM)

quote:

You know me under another moniker, mnottertail.


What's with the new nick, Ron?




dcnovice -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 7:06:38 PM)

quote:

And remember Katrina, how the left screamed that George Bush doesn't care because he didn't force the city of New Orleand or the state of Lousiana into into a forced evacuation prior to the storm hitting?


I hadn't heard that, actually. All the criticisms I'd heard were about how ineffectual FEMA was after the storm and the levee breaks.




Owner59 -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 7:26:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NumberSix

Sanity, 

You know me under another moniker, mnottertail.

I have scoured the medical journals, the liberal media rags and done a due diligence and no lefties are raising any hue and cry about arbusto poisoning people over raw milk, it is surely imagination.

I see stuff like Iraq, the economy, the general malaise, nothing about family of roquefort cheeses such as gammel ost (old cheese, meaning cheese made the old way)--- most of these are raw cheeses and have been made without serious detriment to society since christ was a corporal, and how arbusto is augering us in the ground due to his lack of diligence in the realm of cow titties. 

This tempest in a teapot is not going to go the distance with heart medication costing some 200-2000 a month for our seniors.

I wouldn't get too upset about THAT.




That guy has an unhealthy obsession with the left.

He thinks there are lefties under his bed and around every corner.

Anything that`s bad that happen,is because of lefties.










subfever -> RE: Government Uses Gestapo Tactics Against Milk Farmer (5/9/2008 8:45:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

quote:


Drinking raw (untreated) milk or eating raw milk products is "like playing Russian roulette with your health," says John Sheehan, director of the Food and Drug Administration's Division of Dairy and Egg Safety. "We see a number of cases of foodborne illness every year related to the consumption of raw milk."

More than 300 people in the United States got sick from drinking raw milk or eating cheese made from raw milk in 2001, and nearly 200 became ill from these products in 2002, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Raw milk may harbor a host of disease-causing organisms (pathogens), such as the bacteria campylobacter, escherichia, listeria, salmonella, yersinia, and brucella.

Common symptoms of foodborne illness from many of these types of bacteria include diarrhea, stomach cramps, fever, headache, vomiting, and exhaustion.

Most healthy people recover from foodborne illness within a short period of time, but others may have symptoms that are chronic, severe, or life-threatening.

People with weakened immune systems, such as elderly people, children, and those with certain diseases or conditions, are most at risk for severe infections from pathogens that may be present in raw milk. In pregnant women, Listeria monocytogenes-caused illness can result in miscarriage, fetal death, or illness or death of a newborn infant. And Escherichia coli infection has been linked to hemolytic uremic syndrome, a condition that can cause kidney failure and death.

Some of the diseases that pasteurization can prevent are tuberculosis, diphtheria, polio, salmonellosis, strep throat, scarlet fever, and typhoid fever.
Pasteurization and Contamination

The pasteurization process uses heat to destroy harmful bacteria without significantly changing milk's nutritional value or flavor. In addition to killing disease-causing bacteria, pasteurization destroys bacteria that cause spoilage, extending the shelf life of milk.

Milk can become contaminated on the farm when animals shed bacteria into the milk. Cows, goats, and sheep carry bacteria in their intestines that do not make them sick but can cause illness in people who consume their untreated milk or milk products.

But pathogens that are shed from animals aren't the only means of contamination, says Tom Szalkucki, assistant director of the Wisconsin Center for Dairy Research at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Cows can pick up pathogens from the environment just by lying down--giving germs the opportunity to collect on the udder, the organ from which milk is secreted. "Think about how many times a cow lays down in a field or the barn," says Szalkucki. "Even if the barn is cleaned thoroughly and regularly, it's not steamed. Contamination can take place because it's not a sterile environment."

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2004/504_milk.html




Yes... and how many people died from taking drugs approved by the FDA?




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