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mnottertail -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 6:02:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bound2One Master is trained in jujitsu. I've been meaning to learn more about it to see if there's any way I can possibly break a hold, but I really don't think there is. lol I've never been with a man as strong as he is, and it's intimidating in such a lovely way. ju means gentle justsu (please dont say jitsu---too many word systems floating around now as it is) means the art of first, do not tense up or panic, be the marshmallow, grasshopper.... when pulled, come when pushed, go then turn the energy using circular movement. like ball and bat, but not so garish. LOL Yoda

azropedntied -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 6:03:56 PM)
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mnottertail -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 6:06:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PhoenixRed I got some really nice fire-hardened bamboo bo staves off of eBay......just sayin......[:D] Yeah, I am hep to that, dickie boy. I want log size, 6-8 inches even more at 12+ feet. I have this (corral sorta) frame in mind with sand floor and my blocks and tackles for suspension of whores. The Anti-Dalai Lama

Bound2One -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 6:10:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail ju means gentle justsu (please dont say jitsu---too many word systems floating around now as it is) means the art of first, do not tense up or panic, be the marshmallow, grasshopper.... when pulled, come when pushed, go then turn the energy using circular movement. like ball and bat, but not so garish. LOL Yoda THANK you, Yoda!! I will take your oh-so-wise words to heart. I pretty much always tense up and panic ... lol ... so I can really use the help!

PhoenixRed -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 6:30:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: PhoenixRed I got some really nice fire-hardened bamboo bo staves off of eBay......just sayin......[:D] Yeah, I am hep to that, dickie boy. I want log size, 6-8 inches even more at 12+ feet. I have this (corral sorta) frame in mind with sand floor and my blocks and tackles for suspension of whores. The Anti-Dalai Lama swoons mmmmm, nice. My bamboo seem so much smaller now...only 6' long and 2" in diameter.... though, it still works well as a threat when they say they can take a caning and I pull it out before I put the blindfold on.......I think it's when I shout "batter up!" that gets them nervous though.....[:)]

Alumbrado -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 6:46:25 PM)
quote: Etymology Jujutsu, the current standard spelling, is derived using the Hepburn romanization system. Before the first half of the 20th century, however, jiu-jitsu and then jujitsu were preferred, even though the romanization of the second kanji as jitsu is unfaithful to the standard Japanese pronunciation. Since Japanese martial arts first became widely known of in the West in that time period, these earlier spellings are still common in many places. Ju-Jitsu is still the standard spelling in France, Canada and the United States. The martial art is known as Jiu-Jitsu in Germany and Brazil. 'Jitsu' is still the term of choice for some practitioners from the old days...really, really, really old habits are apparently hard to break...<G> http://robertg.com/hakkoryu.htm

mnottertail -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 7:01:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bound2One quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Bound2One ju means gentle justsu (please dont say jitsu---too many word systems floating around now as it is) means the art of first, do not tense up or panic, be the marshmallow, grasshopper.... when pulled, come when pushed, go then turn the energy using circular movement. like ball and bat, but not so garish. LOL Yoda THANK you, Yoda!! I will take your oh-so-wise words to heart. I pretty much always tense up and panic ... lol ... so I can really use the help! do you know what I mean when I say omoto gake and oro gake? It is different in every ju system, but outside hand and inside hand, that bitch where he puts his thumb on your backhand as he grasps your palm with his other fingers? it turns two ways, till it clinches--- inside and outside use your other hand on inside (the one where your palm is away form your body---hard to talkabout in internet, thats why you gotta be shown), grasp over his hand, turn and crouch, exactly the same way as if you were dancing and he was spinning you, dont lock up, just spin and point your fingertips to the ground, again you dont gotta be big; just gentle and immediate--- understand, if I put any of your body in a certain place, the rest of your body has to go there, or you will be torn apart by your own self and you will be seriously fucked. Do you see what I am saying? Move the thumb to the place on the earth you need it to be, and the rest of him will come along. you can control his thumb, right? if as in a collar grasp, or its variation and your fist is turned over upside down, (oro gake) just roll, and you will get out, like a somersault? and if you can grab up towards his elbow, and pull towards your own wrist---(I know I am failing at explaining) he will have to go wherevere you go. Learn to fall, even after all these years, I cannot fall gracefully, but I dont get hurt. LOL

Bound2One -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 7:16:43 PM)
Thank you so much for the info mnottertail! While I'm having a bit of a hard time following your descriptions (sitting here trying to act some of them out), I do get the gist what you're saying - it's not about brute strength but more about finesse and knowledge of the body. Veddy interesting ...

mnottertail -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 7:25:32 PM)
I am betting that you have; in your lifetime; shook your titties at a man. It is all finesse. action, consequence. deception, confusion plant, sow. and like that. arnold schwartzenneger is a strong fucking man, but is an austrian asswipe without maria. I bet he is a financial girly boy, compared to the Kennedys. everyone is freaked by physical strength, but I bet no matter how 'head up' your master is, you can say, baby; you need a blowjob, and he is gonna be where you can do the most good. same-same.

Alumbrado -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 7:29:11 PM)
quote: do you know what I mean when I say omoto gake and oro gake? It is different in every ju system, but outside hand and inside hand, that bitch where he puts his thumb on your backhand as he grasps your palm with his other fingers? it turns two ways, till it clinches--- inside and outside use your other hand on inside (the one where your palm is away form your body---hard to talkabout in internet, thats why you gotta be shown), grasp over his hand, turn and crouch, exactly the same way as if you were dancing and he was spinning you, dont lock up, just spin and point your fingertips to the ground, again you dont gotta be big; just gentle and immediate--- understand, if I put any of your body in a certain place, the rest of your body has to go there, or you will be torn apart by your own self and you will be seriously fucked. Do you see what I am saying? Move the thumb to the place on the earth you need it to be, and the rest of him will come along. you can control his thumb, right? if as in a collar grasp, or its variation and your fist is turned over upside down, (oro gake) just roll, and you will get out, like a somersault? and if you can grab up towards his elbow, and pull towards your own wrist---(I know I am failing at explaining) he will have to go wherevere you go. Omoto is a religious term, did you mean Omote? Gake is a hooking move, and Oro is a character apparently from a martial arts video game.... No real difference between ryu on these sorts of things. The technique you describe seems more like Koto-gaeshi.. 'wrist cut' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWwsz-17tSU&feature=related The counters to it are well known and effective.

RumpusParable -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 7:30:47 PM)
Both my spouse and I have some training in this, his from military, mine from military and other sources. We have fun. :)

mnottertail -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 7:40:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Omoto is a religious term, did you mean Omote? Gake is a hooking move, and Oro is a character apparently from a martial arts video game.... No real difference between ryu on these sorts of things. The technique you describe seems more like Koto-gaeshi.. 'wrist cut' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWwsz-17tSU&feature=related The counters to it are well known and effective. Yes, you are right, Al, I meant omote... I cannot keep the spaghetti straight. what is shown in the video is more or less what I was explaining as the counter to an 'outide hand'. kotog gaishe, has about as many movements as a watch or a world, the idea behind it is 'ONE' though, and the entry and exit and the projection is one principle. I have never understood the foreign part of it, it is inside hand and outside hand to me, and it dont get me alotta friends. tsai-sabaki for instance, al. Ron you go.

Alumbrado -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 7:44:05 PM)
Unless the foreign word really sticks with me (and for some reason Kote Gaeshi is one of the few), I spend a lot of time using 'dis', 'dat', and 'dere'....

Bound2One -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 7:46:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I am betting that you have; in your lifetime; shook your titties at a man. everyone is freaked by physical strength, but I bet no matter how 'head up' your master is, you can say, baby; you need a blowjob, and he is gonna be where you can do the most good. same-same. Who, me? I'll never tell ... And funnily enough, Master has said pretty much the same thing to me that you did above - and yeah, I can do the most good there. [;)] I have to learn to use my god-given powers as well. lol

mnottertail -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 7:55:10 PM)
So---- Without putting to fine a point on it, or getting in some difficulty with your Master, you have skills in deception (metsubishi) and taijutsu (ways of moving) and ju (gentelness) and so on that he doesn't posess as a man. Your arts may help you here if the idea is to USE distraction, USE your charms, USE------- LOL, you can work it, and understand nature, I am sure. Ko-nich- hwa; Ahn Boundit-Sahn, Yoda.

Wolfsrealm -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 8:18:59 PM)
This is an interesting thread, mistoferin. Our dynamic is a little backward, I suppose. I entered my first dojo at the age of five and I've been trained in some eleven martial arts and combat styles for a little over fifteen years now. My Master has very little combat training. He does outweigh me by quite a lot though (all muscle I promise!), which somewhat equalizes the advantage. I'm glad you brought this up. It's nice to know this is an issue in other relationships as well. ~Little Red

LadyPact -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 8:21:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin I've always enjoyed primal play, fighting and takedown play. Coming from a fighting background has given me the confidence and skill to be able to fairly successfully hold my own in this department and have some really in depth play experiences. I've recently experienced a new twist though that adds some interesting moments to this kind of play. Sir is military trained in hand to hand combat. He knows all kinds of holds, takedowns and pressure points(owie!) that make it frustrating (to say the least) for someone like myself who is used to a more straightforward "fighting" approach. It is much different than the way I am used to playing....sometimes more intense even though it may not be as "physical" in a sense (but I'm lovin' it and learning[;)]). Do you have a partner that is trained in such a way, military men, cops, security....and do you enjoy incorporating that into your play? My sub is military, so I have to work a lot with the 'surprise' factor when I'm interested in doing anything related to take down/resistance play. I love the thrill of it though. There's nothing like someone who stands over a foot shorter taking complete physical control with one swift move. Did it just get hot in here?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 9:54:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin Do you have a partner that is trained in such a way, military men, cops, security....and do you enjoy incorporating that into your play? Yes, oh yes. Not now, but an ex, and occasional play partners. It's great cuz they train me and it becomes an even better fight :)

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/2/2008 11:13:11 PM)
Well, for me, it's a bit easier. They're not ALLOWED to fight back. [:D] Master Fire

SmokingGun82 -> RE: Playing with those trained in H2H combat (5/3/2008 9:19:42 AM)
Oh man this brings back some memories... and harkens to a conversation I had last night with an ex where she was lamenting her new guy isn't strong enough to deal with her, and doesn't have any fight in him- physically or verbally. But anyway... She had extensive martial arts training, I spent five years as a bouncer in an army town... things could get interesting. She could usually hold her own for a couple minutes, although we both knew it was because I refused to hit her, while she had very few qualms about doing the same. It was fun, something I enjoyed, and something I'd be happy to find in any future partner.

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