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slaveboyforyou -> Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 2:02:45 AM)

Yeah I know it's a weird subject heading, but hear me out.  April has been a weird month for me. 

I lost my job 2 weeks ago.  I got laid off, so I am back in the job market.  The little town I grew up in is lovely, but there isn't much here besides low paying, service industry jobs.  So I have been seriously considering moving.  I don't know where, but I have made up my mind it won't be anywhere cold. 

An ex-girlfriend of mine from 11 years ago just split up with her husband.  I have been talking to her the last two years as friends.  Us deciding to be friends was amazing in and of itself.  I have not seen her since I was 22.  I will get to that in a moment. 

We had a 2 and half year relationship back then.  I really loved her.  She was gorgeous and still is.  She is this half Costa Rican, half Anglo-American beauty.  She has this long dark hair, and deep, warm brown eyes that just suck you in.  She had and still has a body you wouldn't believe.  She is just Jessica Rabbit times ten.  Our sex life was wonderful.  She spoke and speaks fluent Spanish, and it just turned me on.  I met her when I was 20 and she was the first person I ever told about my BDSM side.  She didn't judge me, and she went down that road with me with full enthusiasm. I could talk to her about anything and still can.  She was very intelligent.  I just found out about the break up and she has expressed interest in me again.  I would be escstatic if it weren't for a few things....

We were passionate in our love for one another, but we were just as passionate in our conflicts.  When we fought, it was bad.  She would throw things at me (things like toaster ovens and those old, heavy desktop phones.)  On more than one occasion the police got called over to either my place or hers.  It was crazy. 

Her entire family fucking hated me.  They were extremely religious.  Her father was a Pentecostal missionary.  That's how he met her mother in Costa Rica.  I was not religious, and I am not now.  I didn't grow up that way.  My family were non-practicing Methodists.  If my father and mother didn't have some remnants of Christian guilt..I am sure we would have been raised as agnostics.  I can remember going over there for Thanksgiving in '96 and all of them speaking in Spanish in front of me.  Now I don't speak fluent Spanish, but I knew they were talking about me.  I could tell by the tone of their voice and their hand gestures toward my direction it was about me.  Now I am older and I understand that I wasn't exactly perfect back then.  In fact I was everything a girl looking to piss off her parents would look for.  Plus I now understand why they felt weary of me.  She had a 3 month old daughter when I met her.  She was only 18.  They wanted someone to marry her and take care of her.  I certainly wasn't that person at the time.  I wanted to be, but I wasn't.  There were definitely significant cultural differences.  My parents didn't hate her, but they didn't exactly think we were right for each other.  In 1997, I bought her an engagement ring, and we filed down at the courthouse.  My mother freaked out. 

So as you may imagine, it didn't last.  We broke up in 1998.  She moved away and got married, and I hadn't seen her since.  In 2006, I got a email from her.  She found me on Myspace.  She wrote a very long letter and apologized for some of the things that happened.  I reciprocated and wrote her back.  I apologized for my own behavior.  We were young, blah blah blah...no big deal.  So we proceeded to be friends again.  By this time, she was married with 4 kids. living in Georgia  I was in a relationship with another woman with 3 kids, with no biological children of my own living here in Arkansas.  Honestly I don't think God wants me to have kids.  Every woman I meet has them and doesn't want more.  I am not saying I want them.  But it is weird that that seems to be a pattern with me. 

Anyway, that friendship has lasted until now.  I have enjoyed it, and I have never once gave a thought to us being romantic again.  But now this happens.  She splits with her husband at the same time I am considering moving.  My mother's side of the family are all from Georgia, so I have been looking at moving around Atlanta (she lives an hour away from Atlanta).  She is expressing interest, and I am in shock over that.  I don't know if it would be a good idea.  Granted, we have both matured considerably.  But shit..I just don't know. 

Hell, I don't even know what advice to ask.  Any thoughts?




PanthersMom -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 2:16:58 AM)

life is full of regrets and what ifs.  what have you got to lose?  you're both older and wiser, who knows where it may or may not lead.  why not give it a shot?  yes, there were major conflicts, but being older and wiser you have both learned alot and may have learned that what is a big deal in youth is barely worthy of consideration as seasoned adults.  i'd go for it, at least to see if there is a chance of anything.  i'd rather know for sure it wasn't going to work than wonder if i had given it another chance, would it have been great?  just my 2 cents.
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KMsAngel -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 3:09:38 AM)

will you regret not taking the chance to at least meet her, if not more?

life is too short to live with regrets




Asherdelampyr -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 3:15:14 AM)

You only live once, why not make sure you are really living?




Rule -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 5:52:45 AM)

Just go and meet her and take it from there. You know her and you know you and thus you know what issues to discuss with her.




pahunkboy -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 7:45:57 AM)

2 lines of work.

1. legal field.
2. undertaker field.

....three men were to show up yesderday.  no one came.  so windows once again are not put in.   this tells me- 1. people dont want to work,  2.  in a market economy  I dont pay enough,  3,  they arent hungry enough yet.

summer is here.  get a lawnmower and start a grass cutting service.   the population is aging.  more people want this.   if you get an electric mower- you can plug it in THERE too.




sirsholly -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 7:52:07 AM)

Can you live with the "what if's" if you don't try with her?




angelikaJ -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 8:37:50 AM)

re: the conflicts

You have both grown up some since then.
Make a resolution to not repeat that pattern with each other.




mzbehavin -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 8:45:39 AM)

Sounds like you want to move anyway and need a change. I'm excited for you.
                                       Uncertainty = adventure.
                                                       :c D




popeye1250 -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 9:19:20 AM)

There's an old saying, "you can't go back."
It sounds like you're trying to "recapture" what you had before.
And it doesn't sound like an "easy" relationship by any means.
And, she has 4 children now?
You'll be working a lot of overtime just to help feed them!
What if she's "stronger" now and starts winging T.V. sets and computers at you?
This sounds as though it may be more work than fun.
This is just me but if a women left me and married another man and had his kids then that's the end of it. She made the decision, not me.
She's the one who needs to live with it, not me.
I figure if she has kids and gets divorced and (then) wants me it's for financial reasons. Plus, I'd always be playing second fiddle to her kids.
You know, hookers are cheaper than getting involved in relationships like this.
As they say there's plenty of fish in the sea.
Slaveboy, I really don't know what to tell you except for the above which applies to me .
You better sit out by the cee-ment pond and do some cypherin'!




LadyLynx -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/1/2008 2:02:48 PM)

slaveboyforyou,  About moving to Atlanta: good idea! I heard the area is doing fair economic wise.
About your ex-gf, I suggest going slowly. Do NOT move in with her, maintain seperate space for a while. Yes you have been in touch, but that has been mostly online, yes? and plus she has a couple of kids, getting to know them too.  Learn spanish, so that when you go to her family's gatherings, you will know what they are saying about you. Hopefully (at least her parents.) will have better opinions about you now. Anyways good luck, and I hope you keep us updated!

**note: if she still has those anger issues, she really needs to work thru them before any commitment




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/2/2008 5:38:51 AM)

Thanks for the advice everyone.  I think I am leaning more towards Popeye's line of thinking.  It's been a long time, and it didn't work out before.  Hell she just left her husband; the papers aren't even signed yet.  I have dated women on the rebound, and it generally doesn't work out.  I am going to remain friends with her and see what happens.  I still haven't put my plans in stone yet, so I don't know what may happen.  Thanks again.




MissMorrigan -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/2/2008 5:48:44 AM)

You seem a sensible, grounded person, SB, and while I tend to go with what Popeye has said above, there are always those exceptions. Tempestuous relationships while passionate, tend to be draining in the long-run.

The world's your oyster - such a cliche, I know, but you are at a point in your life where you can take any direction you choose, so choose wisely and here's wishing you the best of everything for the future.




RCdc -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/2/2008 5:53:52 AM)

This is Darcy

For my two cents, I'd have to say that if things don't work out once (particularly if there was two and a half years to 'get it right') then they will rarely be any better a second time. People, on the whole (in my experience), may change a little, but not usually enough to make relationships that failed once work the second time around.

Good luck with what ever you decide, though.




Owner59 -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/2/2008 6:00:06 AM)

 It`s never over, til one of you passes.Otherwise ,anything is possible.I say jump in head 1st.

Jobs......

Go IT or PC tech.Computer maintenance and repair is as big as computer sales,maybe bigger.

Move to a Hotlanta suburb (or another big city)and just live.

If you want slaveboy,there`s still plenty of work in the north east.
You`d be welcomed here.

Good luck with everything.






LadyPact -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/2/2008 6:23:16 AM)

Just chiming in to say that I am sorry that you lost the job.  If you're thinking of relocating anywhere, I hope you've saved up a bit.

As far as Atlanta itself goes, I can tell you from personal experience that there are some wonderful lifestyle people there.

Warm weather?  Hotlanta.  Need I say more?

Seriously though, I'd be very cautious about moving to anywhere for another person who you haven't seen in 11 years, and the relationship wasn't all peaches and cream back then.  If you don't mind Me saying so, you should use a lot of caution.  All things are possible, and it could turn out fantastic, but you also have to be prepared for if it doesn't.  There might be some issues that haven't really changed, even though there's been some time to mature since you saw her last.  A lot of things aren't always readily seen through some emails.

Either way, good luck.  I hope you'll make the decision that's right for you.




Termyn8or -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/2/2008 7:29:35 AM)

Popeye is fucking right, absolutely, but there is one thing to remember, you survived it last time.

A buddy of mine just got found by his ex of 12 years ago, via the use of a PI. Now maybe they have the maturity to make it work. Maybe not. But the connection is there and he has no choice but to try. You only live once.

But to stop fighting you need to know how to argue. Actually CM is good for practice. Excercise tact and control, and always be in control, and control her. I do not care if you are a human rug when it comes to submissiveness, you are still a Man and it is still up to you to control things.

Make an agreement with her that neither will raise their voice in anger. Arguments will happen, and they must be managed. Sit down at the kitchen table, and if she gets up she is acting out and tell het so. SIT DOWN. You are noy going to convince me of one gaddam thing by standing up, and if you break something you bought it. If I am with the same little girl I was before, well I left before and I will leave now if I have to.

The only way to handle something like this, as ammoral as it may sound, is to exploit her desire while keeping yours mostly hidden. Of course you show your desire, but in the bedroom (or barn or gazebo, whatever your special place), but when it comes to real life, a Woman respects nothing more than a Man who can handle them and calm them down.

There are Women on here with more masculine qualities than some Men I know, but I don't think your sweetie is one of them. Most likely she is going to test you. Women test Men for a couple of things. Temperment, propensity to violence, ability to forgive.

You come out of this test with one of three basic ratings. Dishrag, Man or hero. For some, a Man is not good enough. And even alot of Dommes don't want a dishrag. YOU must be the eye of the storm, YOU have that effect on her. She should thank you for being the anchor for her "stormy season". This is the sign of a Woman, not a girl.

You cannot lose control. In some relationships you don't need to control, but sadly in most, you do. But that doesn't mean she doesn't control you as well. She has a "honey do" list, and wants and desires and you have to meet most of them. But as she know she can get you to do stuff, bend a bit and let her have her way, Women go absolutely nuts over a Man who can say no.

BDSM aside it is still a reationship, and you have seen Women use sex as a weapon. You must do the same thing. You get in an argument and she decides she is not horny that night, you play the same game. You project the image "I can take it or leave it" so if it is a job to keep her, she also has a job keeping you.

Do not ever raise your voice. This frustrates their adversarial desires so badly that it is make it or break it right then. Either they calm down or they fly totally off the wall, the handle, the rocking chair and every other metaphor I can think of. They act out to get you worked up. Do not let it happen.

People who throw things are children, and remember this, if she has children they were raised by children. You've got all that to deal with. That's one of the reasons popeye is right. Think long and hard before you get into this.

T




windchymes -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/2/2008 2:31:17 PM)

I think moving to Atlanta is a great idea, especially since your mom is there, too.  I would move there with the mom and the job prospects in mind first.  Keep the friendship, sure, but lower on the priority list.  It really is hard to "go back", especially since you both have 10 years plus of life and experiences and could very well be very different people than you were back then.  There may still be that "OMG, I want you I need you!" flame simmering, but that may be the only thing you have between you.  And, that's not necessarily a bad thing if it's acceptable to both of you.

I've been divorced twice, and I remember back, each time when we separated, I found myself contacting old flames and potential flames, hoping, I realize in retrospect, to fill the "void" that was now there.  As time went by and I moved on, those old flames seemed a lot less appealing to my more grounded and better-adjusted mind.  So, I'd take it very cautiously there.  Date other people, too.

Good luck with everything! 




Missokyst -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/2/2008 3:46:22 PM)

I am not the same person I was 10 yrs ago, are you?
I would meet her, but as a friend and if things happen then they do.  There is nothing wrong with having some fun.  Why does everyone assume it has to be that life partner?  You should not move in together.  That would be premature.  She has kids, do you want to raise them?  Even worse, she has kids, will they accept you?  All that is life time partner stuff.  Who says anyone needs to expect that?
I meet with my first X every few years and we have a great, passionate affair.  I enjoy it.  He enjoys it.  After nearly 30 yrs, we still give each other goosebumps.  And we are still friends.
People want to do that serious thing way too soon.  Why not just have fun and enjoy what ever life throws at you?
Kyst




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Life...the Spring...weird timing...memories. (5/2/2008 4:15:25 PM)

Well, that sounds like a month!  Sorry that you were laid off---how miserable.  Since the climate and economy of SE Michigan are abysmal, I recommend you stay far from here....

If you have family connections in Atlanta, and there are jobs there, it sounds like a sensible move.  You're young enough to fit in at all kinds of places.  And it is certainly warm! 

As for your ex....  I advise caution.  You really can't go back to what you had, and I will tell you now that her family will still hate you with the passion of ten thousand blazing suns.  Four children?  FOUR?  None of them in high school yet, right?  Plus the divorce is not final?  All of those are serious warning signs.  How long have you been on Myspace?  Way before the divorce proceedings, I am thinking. 

I know I sound really cynical, but  anything other than cordiality at this point just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.  Honestly, I can't even say, Hey! go for a dirty weekend.  Be friendly, but don't give yourself away.  




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