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RE: suicide attacks - 4/28/2008 1:16:40 PM

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LOL wasn't looking for answers to the questions asked them because they illustrate the idea of ballancing values against each other. LOL

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RE: suicide attacks - 4/28/2008 1:18:18 PM

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I thought it was a quiz

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RE: suicide attacks - 4/28/2008 2:56:53 PM

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Tie me to a tree LadyEllen...lol.. I'd like that... but I would not kill a child that came in my reach... There is a fundamental difference between terrorists and you and me.

Not at all. Either of us would kill a child without a moment's hesitation, if the circumstances were right. They'd have to be pretty extreme circumstances of course, but then they'd be on a par with the circumstances of those who threaten our children without hesitation.

The act to kill is something that is as easy as you think. Circumstances would play a role, but that is were moral right and wrong in a person comes in. Religious fanatics usually have a different set of morals than non-fanatics.

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Its in our power, presumably at least, to either lessen the severity of others' circumstances which cause them to abandon moral discernment, or to do nothing.

Doing nothing is not an option, unless one day you wish yourself or your children to be committing the genocide, or indeed standing in the gas chambers, which will be the ultimate end game of all this if we dont change direction soon.

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Doing nothing is the best option. Countries should stay within their borders no matter what is happening where. If a country is destitute, poverty stricken, or in famine, then let volunteer charities assist if they wish.

So you started this topic to tell everyone that we are all the same, and to have pity and sympathy for the islamic fascist that do suicide bombings?

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RE: suicide attacks - 4/28/2008 3:05:31 PM

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No Orion. I started this thread to try to produce some understanding of the desperate lengths to which our western policies have pushed people and to emphasise how important it is to choose a candidate for your election that will be more likely to halt and turn back the tide of policy which promotes further desperation and desperate acts of resistance against all of us.

I would suspect that none of these desperate people want pity. I would fancy that they want to be treated as human beings with the inalienable rights which attract to them by the same divine mechanism as it is attracted to those in the US.

But of course, rather like the case of Rev Wright, many dont want to hear that any of this might be in any way the fault of our nations and especially not the fault of we the electorate for voting for policies which produce desperate people. Such would rather remain in their utter conviction that Might Maketh Right.

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RE: suicide attacks - 4/28/2008 3:26:07 PM

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When someone has their options limited, the emotion tied to that is pain. When someone says suicide bombers, we immediately think of the middle east, and poor Jerusalem. How come we've not heard of 1 incidence where an Israeli strapped bombs on themselves and ran into a mosque? The reason is because the Israelis have options, and they're exercising those options. The Japanese Kamikaze pilots were also suicide bombers. So were the Knights Templar on Malta. The thing is, is that humans will resist tyranny to the very end. It may be in the not-so distant future, that Americans will be as well. The dollar is plummeting, and when the world identifies policies like the U.S. has in place, the best way to hit us is in the wallet. So when gas prices rise (based on fear of supply? NOT) and your milk and eggs shoot through the roof, remember that this empire will fall just as surely as it did in Egypt, Rome, Greece, Turkey and any other empire you want to look at. We'll be left with our history, but quite a history it is.

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RE: suicide attacks - 4/28/2008 4:46:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

No Orion. I started this thread to try to produce some understanding of the desperate lengths to which our western policies have pushed people and to emphasise how important it is to choose a candidate for your election that will be more likely to halt and turn back the tide of policy which promotes further desperation and desperate acts of resistance against all of us.

I would suspect that none of these desperate people want pity. I would fancy that they want to be treated as human beings with the inalienable rights which attract to them by the same divine mechanism as it is attracted to those in the US.

But of course, rather like the case of Rev Wright, many dont want to hear that any of this might be in any way the fault of our nations and especially not the fault of we the electorate for voting for policies which produce desperate people. Such would rather remain in their utter conviction that Might Maketh Right.

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LadyE, there's some truth to that.
I'd like nothing better than for my government to start minding our own business when it comes to foreign countries.
Ron Paul is right on point with his arguments on minding our own business!
The problem is that the U.S. govt is not now under the control of the American People.

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RE: suicide attacks - 4/29/2008 12:44:01 PM

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I certainlly agree with that. Not just the U S goverment either. Control is by and for the rich and powerful.

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RE: suicide attacks - 4/29/2008 3:58:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

No Orion. I started this thread to try to produce some understanding of the desperate lengths to which our western policies have pushed people and to emphasise how important it is to choose a candidate for your election that will be more likely to halt and turn back the tide of policy which promotes further desperation and desperate acts of resistance against all of us.

It did not seem that way. If this is your purpose, I suggest trying a different tact.

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I would suspect that none of these desperate people want pity. I would fancy that they want to be treated as human beings with the inalienable rights which attract to them by the same divine mechanism as it is attracted to those in the US.

This is where I differ from most that want to save the world. Bad shit happens, it is a fact. Most people do not want bad shit to happen. When bad shit happens there are always lessons for many to learn. Mankind will evolve and change, but bad shit will always happen. I also do not believe in inalienable rights, I believe in learning to understand what your liberties are, and having to defend them from all comers (including the government). I feel that only via fighting for something, can you truly understand what it means to live or die for it.

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But of course, rather like the case of Rev Wright, many dont want to hear that any of this might be in any way the fault of our nations and especially not the fault of we the electorate for voting for policies which produce desperate people. Such would rather remain in their utter conviction that Might Maketh Right.

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It is rhetoric. If people wanted change in the US, they would not worry so much about polticial party, and just fire all existing politicians by not voting for them. Only via radical change in our political and corporate structure is there any hope.

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