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Loveisallyouneed -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 9:11:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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Does her right to privacy sanction her use of deceit?


Yes she is being deceitful to protect her privacy.  She is also deceitful to the person when not providing all the facts.  She has the right to privacy and the freedom to lie, but that doesn't make it the right particularly when it crosses over to anothers life who are forming opinions of mis-information.

 
I agree.
 
Another question: how far must one go to provide "all the facts"?
 
Would that include accusations made by others?




RCdc -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 9:19:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Loveisallyouneed
Another question: how far must one go to provide "all the facts"?
 
Would that include accusations made by others?


One, I don't and should not have to prove anything and nor do I expect it of anyone else.  Facts stand alone.  If they cannot, they are not facts, merely possibilities.  One provides what one can and desires.  Again if this is not compatable with the other person, then this marks the end of any possible relationship. 
You move on.
 
Two, accusations by others hold no relevancy to my unique situation.  If I cannot make my own mind up or my own decisions without relying on others 'accusations' then I should not be contemplating an adult relationship.  Everyone starts new and fresh - I don't judge on the past or what occured with others, I judge for me and my relationship alone.  I do not support references and I do not support second hand information.
If someone relied on others accusations and listened to them or questioned me on them, then they would not be worth my time anyway.
 
the.dark.







Loveisallyouneed -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 9:20:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee

I was asking if you or (you believe) the world at large (no pun intended) assume that no comment or no answer to weight questions indicates "an admission to being abnormally large?"

Uh oh, am I getting sucked into a vortex here?


I hope not.

Yes, I do believe the majority of men prefer slimmer women. The fashion/entertainment caters primarily to existing tastes. If either gets too far ahead of those tastes, it loses its financial appeal and investors are harder to find. Thus I believe a refusal to state a weight is the result of someone who is embarassed about her size, which is most likely abnormally large as smaller women do not seem to have a problem stating their weight (since their weight is within the limits of what is preferred, they are far more likely to state it publicly).

Let me add the following details:
The woman I married was 320 pounds when we met. She was 260 when she died.
I was 277 pounds, and I am currently 174.

I look for what is within, not what is on the surface. Nonetheless, I recognize the health benefits and other benefits that come with less weight.




Loveisallyouneed -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 9:27:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
If I cannot make my own mind up or my own decisions without relying on others 'accusations' then I should not be contemplating an adult relationship.  Everyone starts new and fresh - I don't judge on the past or what occured with others, I judge for me and my relationship alone.  I do not support references and I do not support second hand information.
If someone relied on others accusations and listened to them or questioned me on them, then they would not be worth my time anyway.

 
We are in agreement here also.




LadyPact -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 9:40:16 AM)

Oh, if this turns into a 'fat chick' thread, I'm out of here.




Evility -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 9:43:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Loveisallyouneed
Another question: how far must one go to provide "all the facts"?
Would that include accusations made by others?


I don't think so. I don't believe the interrogator sets the level of the bar. Provide answers to questions you feel comfortable answering at that point in the correspondence and decline to answer others. If the interrogator does not like that response then they are always free to move along.




subtee -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 9:58:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Loveisallyouneed
I hope not.

Yes, I do believe the majority of men prefer slimmer women. The fashion/entertainment caters primarily to existing tastes. If either gets too far ahead of those tastes, it loses its financial appeal and investors are harder to find. Thus I believe a refusal to state a weight is the result of someone who is embarassed about her size, which is most likely abnormally large as smaller women do not seem to have a problem stating their weight (since their weight is within the limits of what is preferred, they are far more likely to state it publicly).
[snip]


Actually, I think many, many Doms prefer larger women. And the rest here is, I think, poor assumption (when you could choose a kinder assumption). There are other reasons for larger women to not answer the weight question, just as there are many reasons for smaller women to not “state it publicly.” (I don’t even know my weight.)

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Another question: how far must one go to provide "all the facts"?
 

 
If it were even possible to provide "all the facts," I don't think I'd want to. Discovery of self and others is a journey, not a destination.
 
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Would that include accusations made by others?

 
How would this even work? I gotta put in my profile or in messages what my ex has said about me? I'm not doing that, he's an ass. [;)]




FlamingRedhead -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 10:03:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Loveisallyouneed

Reading through the profiles I am struck by the differences in the amount of information provided to the public.

Some write pages, and others write nothing at all.

Through most of the civilized world privacy is deemed a right. Each individual is free to decide how much of his/her life to divulge to the public, and what aspects of that life to reveal. For example, most of the world does not seem to discuss sexual activities with anyone but their sexual partner; major life events are shared with family and friends and maybe the announcement section in the local paper (births, marriages and deaths).

Dating online (with the intent to form a Long-Term Relationship) creates novel challenges to privacy, in that one is trying to attract a mate with whom one would share all aspects of life, while recognizing that one is essentially talking with strangers.

This means sharing information about ourselves with strangers.

I don't suppose there are many of us who would list his/her sexual kinks for a stranger in a public location.

And yet, that is what a number of people are doing here.

And many of them include pictures.

On the other end of the scale (not counting lurkers) are those who provide the minimum amount of information needed to launch a profile.

The questions are:

- how much of one's privacy must be revealed to the public through profiles, journals and posts ... and how much should be left for private correspondence or face-to-face meetings?

Ideally, I would say only as much information as one is comfortable with sharing.  However, I look at incomplete profiles in an unfavorable light.  In my mind, the person is either too lazy or hiding something, like not actually having any experience.

- how does one handle questions which, if answered, would reveal more of one's private life than one is comfortable revealing (given the degree of familiarity between the person asking and the person asked)? If someone asks a specific question on an issue one does not wish to reveal, and for which "no comment" would be revealing, how does one retain his/her privacy?

I haven't had this problem, really.  No one has ever asked me for something like a home address or home phone until we had met in person several times.  I'm an open book.

- how much respect do you have for the privacy of others? Do you assume someone retains information to be deceitful, or do you assume the information is retained as an act of privacy?

I don't have much respect for privacy.  In my experience, people are liars for the most part.  They tell you only what you want to hear and dodge questions that might erase the pretty picture they're painting.  I'm a suspicious person by nature, and if I feel someone is continually avoiding answering my questions, it raises my suspicion even more.  Chalk it up to being hyper-aware in a potentially dangerous dating world.

- any other thoughts you'd care to share about privacy are also welcome.

I prefer to efficiently and bluntly cut through the crap.  I have learned a hard lession about spending weeks or months getting to know someone only to find out they're not what I'm looking for.  Therefore, I want to know the bad stuff first.  Everyone can handle the good stuff.  It seems that part of the "game" is to draw someone in thinking that once they "have" you the "bad" stuff won't matter.  WRONG!  It's a doomed relationship built on misconceptions.




Loveisallyouneed -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 10:12:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee
Actually, I think many, many Doms prefer larger women.


A large percentage of the women involved with bdsm are large.

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And the rest here is, I think, poor assumption (when you could choose a kinder assumption).


It is not my intention to be cruel, only truthful.

Nor is this intended to be a "fat chick" thread.

Marital status and weight seem to me to be examples most of us would have encountered at some point along the way.

No one is limited to those examples.

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Would that include accusations made by others?

 
How would this even work? I gotta put in my profile or in messages what my ex has said about me? I'm not doing that, he's an ass. [;)]


This wasn't limited to former partners.

Online accusations from people you've never met might also be included as a part of "all the facts".




subtee -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 10:21:54 AM)

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quote: subtee


And the rest here is, I think, poor assumption (when you could choose a kinder assumption).



It is not my intention to be cruel, only truthful.

 
Any time we assume we make a choice as to whether we will be "benefit of the doubt" or otherwise.

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This wasn't limited to former partners.

Online accusations from people you've never met might also be included as a part of "all the facts".



If I had investigated and formed my own opinions about someone, I think I'd not likely give credence to the accusations of others.

You're speaking about others as in folks here on CM?

Wait...what have you heard about me? Spill it!

tee hee




Loveisallyouneed -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 10:27:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee
Any time we assume we make a choice as to whether we will be "benefit of the doubt" or otherwise.
 
One point of view is not enough to counter a lifetime of experience being overweight and having talked with/dated/married those who were overweight.

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This wasn't limited to former partners.

Online accusations from people you've never met might also be included as a part of "all the facts".


If I had investigated and formed my own opinions about someone, I think I'd not likely give credence to the accusations of others.

You're speaking about others as in folks here on CM?

Wait...what have you heard about me? Spill it!

tee hee
 
Only that you are a delightful human being well-worth knowing.
 
Scouts honour.
 
[:)]




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 10:28:23 AM)

i dont give out my full name or address or phone # to anyone.  period.

in most cases i ask for their phone #...i have received a few from here on the forums who know that i am not dangerous or going to stalk them..etc.

but i ask because i tend to be the agresser in chasing someone who i am interested in either as friend or as partner.  since i am almost never actually asked out, or ever receive real replies about my profile or ever have any real interest in me from someone else unless they are wankers that like me because im different.

my space is a pool of identity theft.  many people on there mostly young kids often post too much information so it is easy for the predator to steal identity's and get credit card info's and bank account #'s and such.  they showed a guy on dateline who has made millions doing just this...and he cant be arrested for some reason. 




subtee -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 11:26:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Loveisallyouneed

Only that you are a delightful human being well-worth knowing.
 
Scouts honour.
 
[:)]



Oh. Well then, yes, that is entirely factual. [sm=biggrin.gif]




BitaTruble -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 1:38:20 PM)

~FR~

When it comes to trying to establish a long term relationship, I don't believe I have the right to maintain privacy on issues which might put me into the trash heap were they known. STD's or AIDS, being pregnant or having children, being married, not willing to relocate etc. If something has the potential or ability to change the way someone desires to interact with me, then I would spill the beans on it or just offer it up front, right off the bat. I don't want to waste my time on someone who isn't going to want to waste their time with me.

Celeste




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Privacy Rights and Dating in the World of BDSM (4/25/2008 2:15:01 PM)

Yeah, this is semi public.  You have to go through some hoops before you can actually start perusing profiles.  I don't advertise my kinky sex life to my friends and family, but I am not worried about being found out.  If someone is on this site looking around, chances are they are just as much of a freak as I am.  Hell the closeted ones are usually more freaky.  I don't give out all my personal info right off the bat.  But I am perfectly willing to tell someone my first name, what town I live in, and a little bit about myself (occupation, education, physical description, etc.)  I do expect to see a photo within 2 or 3 emails.  I won't talk to someone for a month then have a photo sprung on me.  I don't know why people insist on doing that.  I may think you are a wonderful chat buddy, but it doesn't mean I will be attracted to you.  Call me shallow, but I have physical standards for the women I choose to engage in intimate activities with.  I don't worry about giving my phone number out.  It's a cell phone number, and it doesn't trace back to my address at all.  I will tell someone where I live after I have met them in a public venue.  I usually ask someone to meet me for dinner or coffee somewhere. 




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