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Level -> The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 6:08:27 AM)

Long essay, but interesting: http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20080501facomment87303/fareed-zakaria/the-future-of-american-power.html




kittinSol -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 6:33:20 AM)

Interesting, Level, but really! You could have edited it for us and saved us some of the history lesson [8D] - the article's a tad longish.

Anyway...

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The eurozone has been growing at an impressive clip, about the same pace per capita as the United States since 2000. It takes in half the world's foreign investment, boasts strong labor productivity, and posted a $30 billion trade surplus in the first ten months of 2007. In the World Economic Forum's Global Competitiveness Index, European countries occupy seven of the top ten slots. Europe has its problems -- high unemployment, rigid labor markets -- but it also has advantages, including more efficient and fiscally sustainable health-care and pension systems. All in all, Europe presents the most significant short-term challenge to the United States in the economic realm.



The one big advantage the USA have over Europe is its demographics, but this is something Europe can remedy with a steady influx of blood renewing immigrants.

Which leads to this:

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The United States' potential advantages today are in large part a product of immigration. Without immigration, the United States' GDP growth over the last quarter century would have been the same as Europe's. (...) In short, the United States' potential new burst of productivity, its edge in nanotechnology and biotechnology, its ability to invent the future -- all rest on its immigration policies. (...) Immigration also gives the United States a quality rare for a rich country -- dynamism. (...)



Yep. America's greatest strength is the diversity of its people. Who would have known. And one of its greatest weaknesses?

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[The United States] have developed a highly dysfunctional politics. What was an antiquated and overly rigid political system to begin with (now about 225 years old) has been captured by money, special interests, a sensationalist media, and ideological attack groups. The result is ceaseless, virulent debate about trivia -- politics as theater -- and very little substance, compromise, or action. A can-do country is now saddled with a do-nothing political process, designed for partisan battle rather than problem solving.



Something that's frequently confirmed by the skirmishes on these very forum boards. I wonder how long it will take before some of the more virulent posters come and attack the above as some liberal conspiracy to destroy all that's pure and beautiful about the American political system.

Off the cuff, I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty: America has much to gain by putting an end with this 'nombrilistic' obsession with her own power.




Level -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 6:51:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Interesting, Level, but really! You could have edited it for us and saved us some of the history lesson [8D] - the article's a tad longish.



I could have, but I have to jump in the shower, and prepare for a massage [:D].
 
However, like MacArthur, and the Terminator, I shall return.




kdsub -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 8:06:53 AM)

I just hope the next great power on this earth uses that power with the restraint and wisdom that the United States used over the last 80 years.

Yes we have made many mistakes but unlike most  great powers of the past, we did not try to conquer the world.

We are most likely the only great power that had the true capability for total world domination...yet chose not to use that power.

The damn GWB not withstanding....

Butch




FirmhandKY -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 9:17:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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[The United States] have developed a highly dysfunctional politics. What was an antiquated and overly rigid political system to begin with (now about 225 years old) has been captured by money, special interests, a sensationalist media, and ideological attack groups. The result is ceaseless, virulent debate about trivia -- politics as theater -- and very little substance, compromise, or action. A can-do country is now saddled with a do-nothing political process, designed for partisan battle rather than problem solving.



Off the cuff, I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty: America has much to gain by putting an end with this 'nombrilistic' obsession with her own power.


This is not a bug in the American political system, this is a feature!  [:D]

Firm




kittinSol -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 9:43:22 AM)

Well... a feature like a huge boil would be on Angelina Jolie's nose :-D.




FirmhandKY -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 1:15:32 PM)

I made a humorous comment, but I'm completely serious.

If you read a history of American politics, it hasn't changed much since the founding.

The entire system is based on the belief that - in general - politicians will be politicians.  Competing interests cancel each other out over time.  Pitting the congress against the presidency and the courts against both is indeed a design feature of the American government.  The press has been biased and insulting since the day it was formed.

It's not dysfunctional ... it's functioning almost exactly as planned.

I prefer gridlock over a streamlined, well-oiled and activist government. So did the founders.

Firm




celticlord2112 -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 1:45:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
I prefer gridlock over a streamlined, well-oiled and activist government. So did the founders.

I personally would prefer no government at all......but gridlock does make for a palatable second choice.

I look at it this way: Bush II had by most benchmarks an efficient, activist government--and look how that turned out.




Leatherist -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 1:47:36 PM)

Unfortunately, they will never pass legislation to make politicians accountable in any meanignful way.




TheHeretic -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 6:13:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub


We are most likely the only great power that had the true capability for total world domination...yet chose not to use that power.




        Never mind the fat lady, we haven't even hit intermission yet, in the American epic.  Way too soon to make that sort of call.




Estring -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 6:21:11 PM)

For a much truer look at America's and Europe's future, read "America Alone" by Mark Steyn.




cyberdude611 -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 7:09:59 PM)

I think in the future you will see a bit of a shift... I think the US will move more towards isolating itself to the western hemisphere. Brazil will become the dominant country in South America and US will become the dominant country in North America and basically this hemisphere will begin to serve as its own bloc (an Amero zone). I am even more sure of this theory if the new oil reserves in Brazil are as big as some estimates claim (35+ billion barrels). The US may also stick around west Africa and hold on to the trade routes in the Pacific from Japan down to Australia. The US is right now debating about all sorts of trade deals with Columbia and Brazil. So this looks likely in my opinion.

Russia will move towards Europe's sphere. Already the Russians and Germans are signing one trade agreement after another. There is a major pipeline being planned where Russia will begin suppling large qualities of oil and gas to Europe.
And China will have a much more dominant role in the mid-east, Southeast Asia, Indian Ocean, and eastern Africa.

Of course all this is 20-30 years in the future. But that's how I think the world is going to be. You will have 3 major blocs. Africa is split between the US and China. America gets the Pacific and China gets the Persian Gulf. That will be the new world order in the post-cold war world. This right now is simply the transition phase.




FirmhandKY -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 7:20:54 PM)

Interesting take, cyber.

I think we'll see a Anglo (US/UK/ANZ/CAN)-India-Japan block of power, with the US as the dominant power in the Pacific and most of the Americas.

Russia will become the dominant European power (pretty much defanging any EU organization).

China will struggle against the US in SE Asia and the Pacific.

Not sure what part Africa will play, other than a field of struggle for nature resources.

Firm




subfever -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 8:37:38 PM)

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You will have 3 major blocs.


No doubt:

Oceania Eurasia Eastasia




popeye1250 -> RE: The Future of American Power (4/25/2008 10:44:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Interesting, Level, but really! You could have edited it for us and saved us some of the history lesson [8D] - the article's a tad longish.

Anyway...

quote:



The eurozone has been growing at an impressive clip, about the same pace per capita as the United States since 2000. It takes in half the world's foreign investment, boasts strong labor productivity, and posted a $30 billion trade surplus in the first ten months of 2007. In the World Economic Forum's Global Competitiveness Index, European countries occupy seven of the top ten slots. Europe has its problems -- high unemployment, rigid labor markets -- but it also has advantages, including more efficient and fiscally sustainable health-care and pension systems. All in all, Europe presents the most significant short-term challenge to the United States in the economic realm.



The one big advantage the USA have over Europe is its demographics, but this is something Europe can remedy with a steady influx of blood renewing immigrants.

Which leads to this:

quote:



The United States' potential advantages today are in large part a product of immigration. Without immigration, the United States' GDP growth over the last quarter century would have been the same as Europe's. (...) In short, the United States' potential new burst of productivity, its edge in nanotechnology and biotechnology, its ability to invent the future -- all rest on its immigration policies. (...) Immigration also gives the United States a quality rare for a rich country -- dynamism. (...)



Yep. America's greatest strength is the diversity of its people. Who would have known. And one of its greatest weaknesses?

quote:



[The United States] have developed a highly dysfunctional politics. What was an antiquated and overly rigid political system to begin with (now about 225 years old) has been captured by money, special interests, a sensationalist media, and ideological attack groups. The result is ceaseless, virulent debate about trivia -- politics as theater -- and very little substance, compromise, or action. A can-do country is now saddled with a do-nothing political process, designed for partisan battle rather than problem solving.



Something that's frequently confirmed by the skirmishes on these very forum boards. I wonder how long it will take before some of the more virulent posters come and attack the above as some liberal conspiracy to destroy all that's pure and beautiful about the American political system.

Off the cuff, I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty: America has much to gain by putting an end with this 'nombrilistic' obsession with her own power.



Now that's funny! "Blood renewing immigrants."
I guess our blood has "expired" by his way of reasoning.
Maybe he was thinking of those 100,000 Haitien "immigrants" who Clinton "amnestied" and now reside in a portion of Miami called "Pork and Beans" and push drugs and commit crimes and are on some or another form of public "assistance."
Oh yeah, that group will be producing a whole bunch of M.D.'s and Engineers!




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