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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/25/2008 6:08:14 AM

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It is often argued by credible sources that Bush has been better on development issues than his predecessor.

Can you show show evidence of this?

I don`t think you`re correct.

As well,you can`t really include the money and effort spent in Iraq.

If anything,Bush and the neo-cons set them back and destroyed that nations systems and infrastructure,the exact opposite of development.

Who are these credible sources?What metrics are you using to measure your claim that Bush did more than Clinton?

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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/25/2008 6:32:18 AM

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not all food stuffs will store.

diversify your stockpile.

dollars will still be exchanged in our lifetime.

which is more expensive, a gallon of milk, or a gallon of gas?

Don't know about your area. In my area, gas became more expensive than milk when it went over 3 dollars a gallon. It's now at $3.70 with milk still being under the three dollar mark.

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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/25/2008 9:32:41 AM

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It is often argued by credible sources that Bush has been better on development issues than his predecessor.

Can you show show evidence of this?

I don`t think you`re correct.

As well,you can`t really include the money and effort spent in Iraq.

If anything,Bush and the neo-cons set them back and destroyed that nations systems and infrastructure,the exact opposite of development.

Who are these credible sources?What metrics are you using to measure your claim that Bush did more than Clinton?

There seems to be a bit of confusion over that comment and it is worth clearing up. Bush has simply had a different backdrop to act before - climate change, hiv/aids, water management are all much more critical now than they were 8 years ago. Even popular pressure from stuff like LiveAid is more focussed than it was back then. In such an environment, it's inevitable that the G8 as a whole have had to take more action. Hence pepfar, hence several state visits. I am aware of the heinous strings attached to much "aid" and have said as much on many threads on this board. You mean you weren't reading my posts? I'm shocked and surprised!

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Bush’s announcement received a warm welcome from representatives of developing nations that hope to obtain start-up investments, which renewable energy projects in the developing world often lack. “Biofuel and geothermal attract overseas companies because the capital is beyond the capacity of most people in my country,” said Nigel Carty, sustainable development minister for St. Kitts-Nevis, a Caribbean nation burdened with high debt.

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5641

For the record: I detest what Bush does in Africa and could fill many pages with his shortcomings. But in my opinion it is better than nothing. Incidentally, I think Clinton might admit he didn't do too much while in office and that that is why he's trying to make good through his foundation.

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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/25/2008 9:52:37 AM

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Not a mention yet about the impact that ethanol has had in this?

Shift corn to fuel away from feed stock for humans and animals and the resulting wave in rising prices (all subsidized as well) is to be expected. Some economists spoke about this result before the shift towards ethanol and when the shidft started taking place.
Subsidized farming in the west US, Canada and Europe has a huge impact on this.

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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/25/2008 12:41:41 PM

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The link in my previous post concerns a renewable energy project to which Bush has committed $2bn. You are right, Archer insofar as the current rice price rises are largely predicated on the wheat shortage last year, which has caused some countries to hold onto their rice as an alternative staple - as in the case of Egypt.

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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/25/2008 8:27:28 PM

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Why doesn't Bush make that kind of commitment at home?

Again, I am not much for foreign aid. To me that's code for getting congress to finance services that will come from American corporations who will not then share the wealth in any meaningful way with the rest of their countrymen. I can already see the hands of Koch Industries and ADM sticking straight out.

Corporate welfare and special interest pork in a thin disguise.

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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/25/2008 9:20:17 PM

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Archer,

The problem with this "ethenol" excuse for the overseas crisis is simply that, so far, we haven't switched over to producing more corn than rice. Secondly, have you ever tried to grow corn in a rice paddy? It doesn't work.

I don't know who came up with this "ethenol corn production is the culprit" BS, but I have my suspicions... Personally, I think the reason that rice production is off overseas is because of the last six years of the "rust virus" attacking crops there. Entire rice yeilds wiped out. So now, our rice is worth more on the overseas market. Yay!

Naturally, we'll have to ration at home. Tell me, do you think you, and the rest of America, can get by on only 4 20lb bags of rice.. per visit... to Costco?

Has everyone listening to Limbaugh and Glen Beck just suddenly had their brains drop through the fucking floor? Cripes! What a bunch of sheep!

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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/25/2008 10:47:58 PM

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Seems like a pretty effective means of turning around our trade imbalance. Wasn't there a country song or something from the '70's gas crunch? "A barrel of oil for a bushel of wheat?" Something like that.

They grow some pretty good onions around here, and I live in the fucking desert.

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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/26/2008 8:38:37 AM

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Do you suspect the UN World Food Programme?

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Jennifer Parmelee, spokeswoman for the (United Nations) World Food Programme, says the three major factors driving up food prices are:

- Demand from emerging economies such as China and India.

- Droughts in places like Australia and Africa.

- Increasing demand for biofuels made from grains.

"If you have a competing demand for grain that is not trading in human consumption, then obviously it will decrease the amount of grain available for human beings to eat," said Parmelee.

http://winnipegsun.com/News/Canada/2008/04/26/5392251-sun.html

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I don't know who came up with this "ethenol corn production is the culprit" BS, but I have my suspicions...

Has everyone listening to Limbaugh and Glen Beck just suddenly had their brains drop through the fucking floor? Cripes! What a bunch of sheep!

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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/26/2008 1:10:04 PM

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Seems like a pretty effective means of turning around our trade imbalance. Wasn't there a country song or something from the '70's gas crunch? "A barrel of oil for a bushel of wheat?" Something like that.

They grow some pretty good onions around here, and I live in the fucking desert.

I live in the corn belt. we grow corn or beans. bean fields were hard to find last year. heck all the farmers are clearing standing trees to get more land. a orachard that stood for 50 years is now a corn field. since all of this has started the price of feed has risen. farmers have been selling off there cows and planting corn in the pastures. corn has become the new cash cow.

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RE: Rice, death and the dollar - 4/26/2008 5:18:52 PM

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Archer,

The problem with this "ethenol" excuse for the overseas crisis is simply that, so far, we haven't switched over to producing more corn than rice. Secondly, have you ever tried to grow corn in a rice paddy? It doesn't work.

I don't know who came up with this "ethenol corn production is the culprit" BS, but I have my suspicions... Personally, I think the reason that rice production is off overseas is because of the last six years of the "rust virus" attacking crops there. Entire rice yeilds wiped out. So now, our rice is worth more on the overseas market. Yay!

Naturally, we'll have to ration at home. Tell me, do you think you, and the rest of America, can get by on only 4 20lb bags of rice.. per visit... to Costco?

Has everyone listening to Limbaugh and Glen Beck just suddenly had their brains drop through the fucking floor? Cripes! What a bunch of sheep!

How about your brain not making the simple connection that if there is less corn grain products to buy, people shift to something else like rice????? The markets for grains interplay with each other. Land shifted from food corn production to fuel corn production leaves room in the food market that has to be filled with something. Corn meal vs rice both long term storage staple foods.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200802/NAT20080204a.html

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070501faessay86305/c-ford-runge-benjamin-senauer/how-biofuels-could-starve-the-poor.html

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=biofuels-bad-for-people-and-climate

http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Article.aspx?id=1680

http://www.workers.org/2008/us/ethanol_0110/

And the list of scholarly articles speaking to this continues on from both liberal groups as well as from conservatives groups.When both sides are warning that it may increase the cost of food world wide it might be time to think it can;'t be partisan cause both sides are thinking the same thing. So cut the inflamatory crap about conservative talk radio I listen to niether Beck nor Rush, and get a little informed before casting stones.

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