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Level -> PETA and money for "meat" (4/23/2008 6:42:20 PM)

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Fake chicken could now be worth $1 million. In the last few days, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals announced that it will present a $1 million prize to anyone who can demonstrate a major breakthrough in the technology of lab-grown meat: Contestants have until 2012 to produce a commercially viable, in vitro chicken substitute that tastes just like the real thing.

The X-Poultry Prize has already generated high expectations. In its press release, PETA suggests that in vitro farms will spare the "more than 40 billion chickens, fish, pigs, and cows" that are killed every year in the United States. My colleague William Saletan promised Slate readers that "animals were only the first incarnation of meat. Get ready for the second." I'm not so bullish. We might be eating test-tube McNuggets at some point in the next 10 or 20 years, but it's hard to see how PETA's $1 million will help to get us there.


http://www.slate.com/id/2189693

http://www.slate.com/id/2189676/




LotusSong -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/23/2008 6:55:07 PM)

"It's PEOPLE!!! Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!"




GreedyTop -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/23/2008 6:57:46 PM)

Dammit, Lotus./...you beat me to it!!  LMAO!!




slaveboyforyou -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/23/2008 8:25:11 PM)

I guess no one has told PETA...everything tastes like chicken.  So they should be careful what they wish for. 




Termyn8or -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 7:19:16 AM)

I thought I had heard everything but again I stand corrected.

They want to save chickens ? what's next rats ? I'm reminded of the joke about the biker who saved someone from being eaten by a lion and the headline read "Member of motorcyle gang assaults African immigrant, steals lunch".

They're probably up in arms that we don't just let alligators eat people. They probably think it is a good thing, that is if they eat people they will eat less other animals.

As usual people pervert every good thing in the world. I agree that it is wrong to mistreat animals, but reality is upon us. This is livestock.

PETA needs to wake up. If you think humans treat animals badly think of what they do to each other, chase them down, eat them alive. We do no such thing.

Well we do throw live lobsters into a pot of boiling water, what has PETA to say about that ?

T




QuietlySeeking -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 11:38:47 AM)

The opposition organizational name is also P.E.T.A:
People Eating Tasty Animals.




DomKen -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 11:55:39 AM)

PETA is run by a true nut. She opposes the keeping of pets. She actually supports banning breeding of the so called pitbull dog breeds. Anything she supports is almost certainly wrong.




Owner59 -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 1:10:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

PETA is run by a true nut. She opposes the keeping of pets. She actually supports banning breeding of the so called pitbull dog breeds. Anything she supports is almost certainly wrong.


"She opposes the keeping of pets".

Not exactly true.She apposes the cruelty and exploitation associated with the "pet industry".

When people think of pets,they think of purring cats, fun loving dog and chirping birds.There`s another,darker side to it.

They don`t think of puppy mills,animal shelters bursting at the seams with un-wanted dogs and cats or the dozens of birds that died on route from south and central America, for the few that make it north.

If people had a balanced,informed over-view of the situation,she wouldn`t seem so nutty.

Personally,I would ban puppy mills and most "breeders",until the animal shelters were empty.

After that,I`d make it a law that you had to adopt a shelter dog or cat,for ever pure breed you bought,one for one.

There`s no excuse why millions of dogs are put down(killed) every year,just because they`re un-wanted.

There`s no excuse for producing/selling hundreds of thousands of pure breed dogs and cats,when there are millions of dogs and cats available for free at the shelter.

If anyone could come up with a way to avoid the seemingly inherent cruelty ,I`d love to hear it.

Now ,I might seem nutty to suggest a law like this.It may seem a little extreme.I couldn`t care less.Come spend ten or fifteen weekends at your local shelter,then tell I`m nutty.






slaveboyforyou -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 1:50:31 PM)

Owner, Ingrid Newkirk is a nutter.  You know she is.  I hope you're just playing the Devil's advocate here.  A lot of the key people in the animal welfare community criticize her for her tactics.  She and her organization are self proclaimed media whores.  They compare animal shelters to the Nazi concentration camps.  They finance the defense of several well known eco-terrorists. 

I understand what you are saying.  It is absolutely appalling that people abandon animals in the millions in animal shelters every year.  I love animals, and I gladly give to the responsible animal welfare groups.  But Newkirk and PETA are absolutely off their rockers.  They completely alienate people from supporting animal welfare organizations, because people think that animal rights = PETA nutcases.  They are detrimental to the serious people that care about animals.




thornhappy -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 3:51:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

...dozens of birds that died on route from south and central America, for the few that make it north.

I think she's a bit behind the times.  Due to CITES regulations, the vast (really really vast) majority of pet birds are home-grown (captive bred). 

thornhappy
(past owner of a timneh african gray)




dollparts85 -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 3:58:16 PM)

I don't know where you guys are getting your info...but peta OWNS an animal shelter...and encourages people to adopt animals. They even sell products for companion animals.

And to the comment about rats...yes, peta wants to protect rats...and all animals. Rats are great animals and probably the most tortured.




QuietlySeeking -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 4:14:31 PM)

After having lived around tamed rats for one year and wild ones for another year, they are welcome to reside elsewhere....any of them invading my residence will be promptly euthanized with the most expedient measure.

(former roommate of a rat owner).




Maya2001 -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 4:31:21 PM)

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Ingrid Newkirk
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

PETA is run by a true nut. She opposes the keeping of pets. She actually supports banning breeding of the so called pitbull dog breeds. Anything she supports is almost certainly wrong.


"She opposes the keeping of pets".

Not exactly true.She apposes the cruelty and exploitation associated with the "pet industry".

When people think of pets,they think of purring cats, fun loving dog and chirping birds.There`s another,darker side to it.

They don`t think of puppy mills,animal shelters bursting at the seams with un-wanted dogs and cats or the dozens of birds that died on route from south and central America, for the few that make it north.

If people had a balanced,informed over-view of the situation,she wouldn`t seem so nutty.

Personally,I would ban puppy mills and most "breeders",until the animal shelters were empty.

After that,I`d make it a law that you had to adopt a shelter dog or cat,for ever pure breed you bought,one for one.

There`s no excuse why millions of dogs are put down(killed) every year,just because they`re un-wanted.

There`s no excuse for producing/selling hundreds of thousands of pure breed dogs and cats,when there are millions of dogs and cats available for free at the shelter.

If anyone could come up with a way to avoid the seemingly inherent cruelty ,I`d love to hear it.

Now ,I might seem nutty to suggest a law like this.It may seem a little extreme.I couldn`t care less.Come spend ten or fifteen weekends at your local shelter,then tell I`m nutty.





Sorry Owner  you're wrong, Peta does want to abolish pet ownership ...what you are referring ti  is an animal welfare idealogy ... animal welfare and animal rights are 2 very different concepts  ..Ingrid is an animals rights activitist. They are using that as a stepping stone to the right's concept

What is Animal rights? 
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Animal Rights (AR) is based on moral and ethical philosophies. While Animals Rights Advocates and Groups talk about humane care, the bottom line is to work for humane care and legislation ONLY until all animals can be removed from human use. The reason for this is the Animal Rights belief that no species on this planet is better than another; therefore, humans have no right to dominate over, use, breed, or eat non-human species.
Basic principles of animal rights philosophy are:

[image]http://www.ncraoa.com/image2/bulletblack.gif[/image] The ability of animals to feel pain and pleasure puts them on a plane of moral equivalence with humans. This moral significance of animals necessitates that we reject the use and treatment of animals as resources or as property. Use of animals for food, research, and entertainment must be abolished and not merely regulated. (Peter Singer) (1) [image]http://www.ncraoa.com/image2/bulletblack.gif[/image] Animals have a life of their own that is of importance to them apart from their utility to us; therefore, logic implies that animals have the same right as humans to pursue their life without human interference. [image]http://www.ncraoa.com/image2/bulletblack.gif[/image] The line between human and non-human animals is an artificial construct designed to facilitate and justify the exploitation of non-human animals. (


Read the last line from PETA's  quote from their own pamphlet called Companion Animals: Pets or Prisoners?
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"In a perfect world, animals would be free to live their lives to the fullest: raising their young, enjoying their native environments, and following their natural instincts. However, domesticated dogs and cats cannot survive "free" in our concrete jungles, so we must take as good care of them as possible. People with the time, money, love, and patience to make a lifetime commitment to an animal can make an enormous difference by adopting from shelters or rescuing animals from a perilous life on the street. But it is also important to stop manufacturing "pets," thereby perpetuating a class of animals forced to rely on humans to survive.


From another of their pamphlets titled which was on thier website  Animal Rights Uncompromised 2007
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"We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as "surplus." This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. Their lives are restricted to human homes where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to."


Quotes from  Ingrid Newkirk herself
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"I don't use the word "pet." I think it's speciesist language. I prefer "companion animal." For one thing, we would no longer allow breeding. People could not create different breeds. There would be no pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those animals would have to be refugees from the animal shelters and the streets. You would have a protective relationship with them just as you would with an orphaned child. But as the surplus of cats and dogs (artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship ­ enjoyment at a distance." Ingrid Newkirk, PETA vice-president, quoted in The Harper's Forum Book, Jack Hitt, ed., 1989, p.223.

"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation." Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Just Like Us? Harper's, August 1988, p. 50.

"You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV," Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.
"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind," Ingrid Newkirk, founder, president and former national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Animals, May/June 1993




http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/animalrightsquote.htm


As for Termyn8or  about rats    ...yes  -rats even insects  they believe have the right to life ..  Ingrid's  words again 
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"A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's founder and president, Washingtonian Magazine, August 1986




"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause." Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA

The Humane Society of the United States is headed up by directors of Animals Rights groups  they have no qualms of killing pets  as HUSUS is in fact a kill shelter
http://www.ncraoa.com/AR_AW_WhatYouShouldKnow.html















DomKen -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 5:01:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85

I don't know where you guys are getting your info...but peta OWNS an animal shelter...and encourages people to adopt animals. They even sell products for companion animals.

And to the comment about rats...yes, peta wants to protect rats...and all animals. Rats are great animals and probably the most tortured.

LOL

the PETA shelter in VA killed 85% of the animals it took in while two SPCA shelters in the same area in VA adopted out 66% and 73% of the animals in their care over the same period.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL

Others have posted direct quotes by Newkirk showing her intention to do away with pets so I'll assume that requires no more evidence.




lronitulstahp -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 7:42:48 PM)

yuck! [:'(]
This is WAAAY better than fake lab grown chicken http://www.seeveggiesdifferently.com/[:)] my weeuns love the nuggets...and i can make the best chili, tacos and meatloaf with the ground stuff...




dollparts85 -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 8:44:52 PM)

I was a peta member for several years...most members have companion animals. I have 5 myself at the moment. She is just against breeding animals for profit...not against adopting animals. Pet stores support puppy mills. There are millions of animals out there that need homes...why add to the problem?




FlamingRedhead -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 8:46:30 PM)

Ewwwwww that's disgusting!  But I thought McNuggets were already fake.  [8|]
 
As for the overcrowded shelters with unwanted animals, I vote that they all go back to gassing.  They can use the fur to make coats and such and send the meat to starving countries.




DomKen -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 8:53:29 PM)

Read what the woman wrote:
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"I don't use the word "pet." I think it's speciesist language. I prefer "companion animal." For one thing, we would no longer allow breeding. People could not create different breeds. There would be no pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those animals would have to be refugees from the animal shelters and the streets. You would have a protective relationship with them just as you would with an orphaned child. But as the surplus of cats and dogs (artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship ­ enjoyment at a distance." Ingrid Newkirk, PETA vice-president, quoted in The Harper's Forum Book, Jack Hitt, ed., 1989, p.223.

Notice the bold underlined part? Phased out means no more pets period.

How bout this one
quote:

"You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV," Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.

Once again check out teh bold underlined phrase. Dogs pursuing their natural lives in the wild means no pets.

Both quotes from here:
http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/animalrightsquote.htm

I'm sorry you were taken in by Newkirk as so many others have been but she has been quite candid about her intentions.




cyberdude611 -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 9:12:50 PM)

The big problem I have with PETA is the little money that actually goes to helping animals. According to tax returns to the IRS, only about 1% of PETA's income from donations actually go to helping animals (food, shelter, medication, etc).
Plus they have some strange connections with some pretty shady people. PETA has given a lot of money to a man named Rodney Coronado who is a radical animal rights activist who has been convicted of crimes such as arson and conspiracy. He has also given numerous speeches where he practically encourages domestic terrorism and he has claimed to be affiliated with ALF (Animal Liberation Front). He was just recently on trial for demonstrating publically how to build a bomb. He agreed to a plea deal last month with a 1-year prison sentence.

If you are someone who wants to give money or time to help animals, you are better off donating to ASPCA or the Humane Society or the various other legit organizations that dont fund acts of terrorism to get their message across.

PETA's protests dont bother me at all. If they want to pay people to be naked and dress up like animals and hold up signs....that's fine by me. Free speech and all. But it crosses the line when violence comes into play. You set fires to research labs, steakhouses, or banks....that's arson and many would consider it terrorism. It is destruction of private property and people could be hurt or killed.




Leatherist -> RE: PETA and money for "meat" (4/24/2008 9:16:44 PM)

Cool, if dogs go back to the wild, they will lose thier protected status as companion thingies(it's illegal to eat dog meat in the usa now)..And we can get hunting permits and have em for lunch-yummy.




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