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SugarMyChurro -> Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/22/2008 10:10:04 PM)
CAUGHT: Pentagon Pundits Infiltrate Mainstream News [VIDEO] http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/36658-caught-pentagon-pundits-infiltrate-mainstream-news ----- Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon’s Hidden Hand http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Hidden behind that appearance of objectivity, though, is a Pentagon information apparatus that has used those analysts in a campaign to generate favorable news coverage of the administration’s wartime performance, an examination by The New York Times has found. The effort, which began with the buildup to the Iraq war and continues to this day, has sought to exploit ideological and military allegiances, and also a powerful financial dynamic: Most of the analysts have ties to military contractors vested in the very war policies they are asked to assess on air. ----- Send letter to congress https://secure.freepress.net/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=257 ----- And people wonder why it bothers me when I hear CM members come here and repeat the lies. I call it what it is: propaganda and warmongering. What it isn't is either objective or the truth. It sure isn't journalism in any normal understanding of the word. [8\|] And this is what they are doing with your tax monies. Paying for their war. Paying for their propaganda. Paying for their concealment of the truth. But fine, go back to sleep...

UtopianRanger -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/22/2008 11:47:38 PM)
quote: And people wonder why it bothers me when I hear CM members come here and repeat the lies. I call it what it is: propaganda and warmongering. What it isn't is either objective or the truth. It sure isn't journalism in any normal understanding of the word. That's clearly the difference between learning ''how to think'' vs. ''seeing/hearing and being told what to think'' We need to remain cognizant of the fact that we live in the age of ''flickering screens'' : You see it/hear it, you believe it. But seeing is not always believing......''Reason'' in the form of some kind of dialectical rationality has to be enjoined/employed. And I think subconsciously.....we're actually afraid to use that rationale because of the awesome responsibility we have to assume when we think/comprehend in such objective manner.... Anyways....that's my ''reasoning/rationale'' behind the inordinate number Fox news parrots here on CM [;)] - R

Estring -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/22/2008 11:53:23 PM)
As opposed to the "parrots" who believe anything they read?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/23/2008 5:12:50 AM)
Public relations is now immoral? Gee. Shoot everyone who has contact with the "bully pulpit"! Firm

kittinSol -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/23/2008 5:48:36 AM)
Generally, public relations are immoral. PR gurus themselves admit it. There's never anything innocent about PR: under the guise of providing information, they only convey 'facts' that are in their clients' interest. Nothing less, nothing more. PR is glamourised advertising. It's one of the most post-modern professions out there.

meatcleaver -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/23/2008 5:51:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol PR is glamourised advertising. It's one of the most post-modern professions out there. PR is legal lying. One British civil servant said when he was caught lying for his political masters, he wasn't lying but being economical with the truth!

kittinSol -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/23/2008 5:56:09 AM)
It's a fun job for those that are heavily into perverse manipulation. It takes a certain kind of mind: one that I admire. Honest lying. Can't be much more straightforward than that, really.

Sanity -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/23/2008 6:09:02 AM)
What are your feelings about moveon.org? al-Jazeera? The misleading & far-left New York Times, or CBS News. Is their propaganda acceptable in your eyes? quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro CAUGHT: Pentagon Pundits Infiltrate Mainstream News [VIDEO] http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/36658-caught-pentagon-pundits-infiltrate-mainstream-news ----- Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon’s Hidden Hand http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Hidden behind that appearance of objectivity, though, is a Pentagon information apparatus that has used those analysts in a campaign to generate favorable news coverage of the administration’s wartime performance, an examination by The New York Times has found. The effort, which began with the buildup to the Iraq war and continues to this day, has sought to exploit ideological and military allegiances, and also a powerful financial dynamic: Most of the analysts have ties to military contractors vested in the very war policies they are asked to assess on air. ----- Send letter to congress https://secure.freepress.net/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=257 ----- And people wonder why it bothers me when I hear CM members come here and repeat the lies. I call it what it is: propaganda and warmongering. What it isn't is either objective or the truth. It sure isn't journalism in any normal understanding of the word. [8\|] And this is what they are doing with your tax monies. Paying for their war. Paying for their propaganda. Paying for their concealment of the truth. But fine, go back to sleep...

pahunkboy -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/23/2008 6:18:38 AM)
bringing folks together, bipartisan, both sides of isle. gag ma. it is too late for that. the right sunk the dollar, which has taken food off my table. i have no interest in assisting the quanity in taking from my pocket. the hell with working with the right.

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/23/2008 11:39:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Public relations is now immoral? Are these really the purposes of government? To lie to you about what they are doing? To use your tax money to create a propaganda machine to try to convince you of their lies? Some of this took place before 9/11 - so they knew what they intended to squander taxpayer monies on regardless of justification. I ask you particularly because I believe you to be the kind of person that repeats their lies on these boards. I find you hawkish about the twin wars and the one being fomented against Iran. I find you generally jingoistic in all ways. We'll avoid that other word, because everyone knows it when they see it and smell it anyway.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/23/2008 3:11:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Public relations is now immoral? Are these really the purposes of government? To lie to you about what they are doing? To use your tax money to create a propaganda machine to try to convince you of their lies? Some of this took place before 9/11 - so they knew what they intended to squander taxpayer monies on regardless of justification. I ask you particularly because I believe you to be the kind of person that repeats their lies on these boards. I find you hawkish about the twin wars and the one being fomented against Iran. I find you generally jingoistic in all ways. We'll avoid that other word, because everyone knows it when they see it and smell it anyway. Note: Please stop your personal attacks and insults, or I will report you to admin. On-topic: Let's see ... if a "leftist" were in office, and used PR to "educate" the American people on the benefits and reasons for nationalizing the health industry ... you would consider that a legitimate use of information dispersal to the public? Let's be honest here ... this is all about disagreeing with the policies, not with the morality of PR. You disagree with the Administrations policies in the Middle East. The Administration uses the normal and accepted methods to get it's message out. But because you disagree with the policy, you find it immoral for the Administration to try to convince people of the validity of it's policies. On the other hand, if you agreed with an Administrations policies (even if a large majority of the American public did not), then you would find the use of focus groups, background briefings and arranged meetings between public figures and opinion shapers as a legitimate use of the public opinion shaping function of the government. There is a very apt word to describe this type of "It's OK if you agree with the policy, bad if you disagree with the policy" thinking: hypocritical. Firm

Owner59 -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/23/2008 5:27:00 PM)
PR can only go so far. Look at how much effort/money/resources Bush has spent trying to sell us the lie that he`s successful and competent. Every policy and executive agency has been tasked to PR and political work.Staffers that once did the work of government and agency management,now work on (trying to) making Bush look good. Every resorce Bush has,has been used for his selfish politcal purposes. That includes the military,and as we know now,pentagon payed/planted journalist peppered through-out the media.Their Orwellian purpose;to help Bush decieve us more.Neo-cons can`t win an arguement on the merits.They can`t win debate with-out cheating.Neo-cons are afraid of an honest debate and don`t want an informed public. Bush has secretly payed journalists(Armstrong Williams)to promote his agenda. Payed and fed softball questions to a fake journalist(Jeff Gannon)to be asked of the white house press spokesmen.That bit of shenanigans, was about as low as you can go as a cheat. A fake ,white house agent-journalist ,asking questions crafted by the white house to the white house, in order to deceive Americans.You can`t get more flagrant than that. Added:I never heard Firm,or any other conservative criticize Bush over Jeff Gannon.By that,I take it that they`re ok with fake journalist, planted buy the white house . I see you`re all pretty muck ok with the pentagon`s plants too. Bush/Rove have secretly hired dozens of PR firms and spent millions of our taxpayer money, trying to improve his image. He`s done all of this selfish,unprecedented stuff and what has it got him? Nothing. You can`t make a silk purse from a sow`s ear. Now I know there are Bush lickers, who would vote for Bush even if he was satan himself.The PR/bullshitting isn`t for them. They were targeting middle roaders and normal folks who tend to take people at their word.For Bush,that`s over.

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Pro-war Propaganda: Psyops on Steroids (4/23/2008 9:23:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Please stop your personal attacks and insults, or I will report you to admin. I can't state how I feel about your opinions using perfectly acceptable adjectives? Jeez, try getting a thicker skin pal. Try also learning the meaning of words in the English language. jingoist: Extreme nationalism characterized especially by a belligerent foreign policy; chauvinistic patriotism. - Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Let's see ... if a "leftist" were in office, and used PR to "educate" the American people on the benefits and reasons for nationalizing the health industry ... you would consider that a legitimate use of information dispersal to the public? Let me see if I can explain the workings of government to you... I don't think the pentagon should be involved in trying to change public opinion. They should be enforcing the will of the people through their representatives in the legislature. If war gets declared they can jump into action. But fighting a PR war with a whole bunch of lies and distortions is pointedly offensive. I don't want tax money being spent on propaganda. This isn't just an enlistment ad or whatever, this is lying. To speak to your example issue, I don't consider Universal Healthcare a leftist issue - its' really more about bang for the buck and spreading costs for the few across the many. I expect that to get hashed out in the political process - there should be discussions in congress, chats with constituents, compromises between the houses and the executive. At no time should there be a reason to suddenly have an advertising campaign to sell the people something they don't want. If anything if politicians need to say something maybe they can get airtime on the news, C-SPAN, or the internet. They don't have to waste taxpayer money to do that. And there is also a huge difference between persuasive discourse and disinformation. I find it interesting that you aren't bothered on any basis what this particular administration or legislature wastes money on - be it wars on two on fronts, closed bid contracts, favors to oil companies and multinationals, etc - it's all OK with you, huh? Propaganda and disinformation 24/7 instead of the truth is OK with you. It's a little hard to see you as much of a critical thinker.

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