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Bound2One -> RE: Living Life (4/20/2008 5:54:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: softness

ok so feel free to tell the young'un to shut up and sit quietly in the corner with her colours but here is my two cents (or 2p in real money)



Softness, this was a gorgeous post.  Thank you for sharing it. 

[The question is do you live life before you make the discovery of what you are - ie dominant, gay, poly, submissive, gorean, pet, baby, mistress etc(insertlabelhere) before you get on with your life and move forward on it? ]
 
If I had done that - put my life on hold until I understood myself - well, I don't know what would have happened.  I'm started on a self-awareness journey about a year and a half ago.  I was at a crossroads, having just turned 40 and wondering what was in it for *me*.  I'd spent the last 20 years of my life raising a family, and basically just living a quiet, "normal" life, but knowing something was missing.  I don't know why I didn't search for the missing part before, but something at that time made me realize how unsatisfied I was with my life and prompted me to start discovering more about myself.  I always thought it was such a trite thing - to 'discover' oneself, selfish even, to focus on oneself so intensely.  Now I'm incredibly happy that I've taken the time to think about me, the same way I'd spent 20 years thinking about others. 
 
I'd had sexual relationships throughout those years with others, even though I knew there was something missing, but I just couldn't put my finger on it.  I'm glad I did - even though having the missing part was painful at times, I am glad to have experienced those people along the way.
 
As for whether discovery achieved something positive - I have to point to a certain peace of mine I've achieved lately.  I am still doing some fine-tuning on who it is that I am and what it is that I wish to be - the difference being that I am now doing this with my Master, who is supportive and understanding.  Being able to talk with him about my feelings and emotions and to be able to grow with him is a gift I wouldn't have had if I hadn't had that initial self-exploring journey a year or two ago.
 
 




colouredin -> RE: Living Life (4/21/2008 9:13:44 AM)

This totally bugged me yesterday, I had a reply written out but my internet broke (still is) am on my sisters computer to write this.

I therefore havent read any replies (I wrote mine before anyone had, I am sure a lot of what I will say has already been covered but you know you get a need)

See I am a totally differant person to who I was a year ago, hell Im differant to a month ago. Who I think I am changes all the time, sure we can all philosophise from our bedrooms about what we need and want from life, but how can we ever know unless we are in the situation? I may assume that I would behave in a certain way in certain circumstances but not know really until it happens, and just because I behave one way one time certainly doesnt mean I would again. I think its actually our mistakes that make us who we are, so how can we make those mistakes without living?

I dont imagine I will be anywhere near as centrered as the.darkness for a long time (if I ever am) but does that mean that I should sit around waiting to become centred? I bloody hope not. However saying all that im a huge fan of the song "waiting for my real life to begin" I know that I am not quite me yet, I know that I dont know everything about myself, I dont know where I am going or what I want but I figure its ok, the amount that I have learned about myself in the last year has been huge, most of that learnt while out there living. Interesting really because it links to something I always say about my using sites like these "im on here waiting for life" which I am, I learn a lot on here but learn a hell of a lot more out there.

I know the saying you cant love anyone until you love yourself, but I think that others teach you how to love yourself, its bad relationships and messed up chances that make us aware of what we actually want. I can sit down and write a list of all the ideals that I think I need and yet in reality they could all be things that dont work for me, that make me sad or unfullfilled, I wont know that until I try it.

I have expectations, and hopes and dreams and all that stuff, always have been fairly ambitious and stuff and I cant live moment to moment, I have tried to and thats just not life for me, it makes me too on edge I like some stability if not total.

The searching question, thats tough, I want to have a bit of both really, I look out for what I think I want at the moment, that doesnt mean that I wont do other things and of course may find that actually thats what I was searching for, but the thing is I am never looking for the same thing. In relationships the type of person I think I want now is so differant to who i thought I wanted a few months ago, but that doesnt mean that I am putting everything on hold to look for that person, maybe it attracts me to certain people and maybe it means that I dont give everyone a fair shot but thats my loss I guess.

I hope I got the point of the question, I never can be sure.  




TracyTaken -> RE: Living Life (4/21/2008 11:30:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

I am after peoples opinions on discovery and life.
 
The question is do you live life before you make the discovery of what you are - ie dominant, gay, poly, submissive, gorean, pet, baby, mistress etc(insertlabelhere) before you get on with your life and move forward on it?

I assume that everyone does.  It's not like a four-year old knows ...

 Should you move on with life, without knowing your path, position or orientation?

How the hell else would find your path, position or orientation?

Do you believe it is possible to have a sexual or intimate relationship with another person when you do not understand where your life is, or may be going -

I can't imagine it being possible any other way.  I don't know one single person who truly understands life.

or should you live your life without expectations and go with the flow?

You can do the latter without doing the former.  There are always expectations of some kind.  It's not quite so black and white.
 
Does 'searching' achieve anything positive?

I suppose that depends on what one finds.  :)




Aneirin -> RE: Living Life (4/21/2008 2:19:09 PM)

I just barrelled into life, ignoring what I wanted and got on with the humdrum of living, usually following what others expected of me.

Now I am 40, and I realise, what exactly do I like, where do I stand?

Kink wise, wtf am I  ?

Yes, I am into kink, have been since at least ten, but not actually done any, due to myself not knowing what I want, because I did not take the time to find out.

Oh how I wish I could have taken the time to get to know me, but 40 is still young, I have a few years left, I am going to make the best of it and  start living.




Vendaval -> RE: Living Life (4/21/2008 3:27:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

I am after peoples opinions on discovery and life.
 
The question is do you live life before you make the discovery of what you are - ie dominant, gay, poly, submissive, gorean, pet, baby, mistress etc(insertlabelhere) before you get on with your life and move forward on it?
 

I think that people are sometimes stuck for a time, trying to figure out their orientation and role.
 

Should you move on with life, without knowing your path, position or orientation?
 

There needs to be time for introspection and and contemplation and on the other hand there needs to be time for action and moving forward.  The balance is a different for everyone.
 

Do you believe it is possible to have a sexual or intimate relationship with another person when you do not understand where your life is, or may be going - or should you live your life without expectations and go with the flow?
 

No one approach fits all persons or all situations.
 

Does 'searching' achieve anything positive?
 
Sometimes it does, and sometimes you achieve very little.
 
the.dark.

As always, your mileage may vary, 
 
Vendaval
 




LPslittleclip -> RE: Living Life (4/21/2008 4:31:58 PM)

i agree with the posts that if you don't live your life then your just waiting to die. i try to plan things out but Murphy has a rather nasty habit of cropping up so i adjust and carry on. in doing this i have seldom been bored or with out interest. i have been done and seen things that few others dream of, visiting foreign lands seeing the wonders of the ancient world meeting new Friends. having money doesn't bring happiness just being happy does it for me. i am still fairly new to the lifestyle  only 2 years but now i am in a poly family learning new things about myself every day. when ever a road in front of me is blocked i just find a different path, some times leading back and sometimes not.
i came into this life kicking and screaming    id like to go out the same way. 




charlotteS -> RE: Living Life (4/21/2008 4:35:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

I am after peoples opinions on discovery and life.
 
The question is do you live life before you make the discovery of what you are - ie dominant, gay, poly, submissive, gorean, pet, baby, mistress etc(insertlabelhere) before you get on with your life and move forward on it?
 
Should you move on with life, without knowing your path, position or orientation?
 
Do you believe it is possible to have a sexual or intimate relationship with another person when you do not understand where your life is, or may be going - or should you live your life without expectations and go with the flow?
 
Does 'searching' achieve anything positive?
 
the.dark.


I hope I am always searching. 
What would be the fun in figuring out exactly who I am, labeling myself and stopping there?[;)]

charlotte

edited to fix whacky fonts





stella41b -> RE: Living Life (4/21/2008 9:05:18 PM)

Having lived much of my life - twenty odd years or so - not being myself, not really sure of who I was, having doubts and trying to be who I wasn't ever going to be and never was then yes, you do have to live life before you know.

I am a product of my own evolution and because I differ from most people reading these threads my path through life as who I am is different but I am unique, I am individual, and therefore not much different from anyone else reading these threads. I became aware that I was someone different at 4, that I could be someone else at 13, I felt sure at 17 but still had doubts, but some years later I finally acquired the knowledge I needed to be me. This makes such a difference.

Now I could look at life in two ways. I could strike out those twenty odd years and give myself a handicap, but this would mean playing the victim, or I can just learn to accept that things were as they were and move on. The way I see it, that quarter of a century of life was lived in error but it is still life and it was still lived, I was always the same person throughout the only thing which changed was the perception.

And there have been benefits, I have been exploring, searching, drifting, questioning, and though my life has been abnormally difficult by the standards of many people it hasn't prevented me from leading a happy, fulfilling, and eventful life. Even in the difficult periods it was fun, and I even managed to discover my talents, my creativity, find a future based on those talents and even brush the pages of a few encyclopaedias along the way.

What is life anyway? Is it not the union of body, soul, and experience?

So what is living? Living for me is listening to that inner voice of your Soul, deep inside you, and following that path it dictates.. It is filling in the empty spaces in your mind, finding the answers to those questions, it is evolution, learning, progress, development, change, and so on.

Does 'searching' achieve anything positive? I for one can personally say it does, I'm living proof of this. I spent a quarter of a century or more (even) of never really knowing who I was or being sure, but in seeking out the answers and seeking out the knowledge I discovered BDSM, theatre, spirituality, different cultures, different languages, got to know so many different people, so much so I found success, the basis for a happy and fulfilling life.. but most importantly I found myself and the essence of who I really am. I've also discovered connections between the whole lot, theatre, BDSM, spirituality, which has given me my own theory, methodology and also my own philosophy on life.

Should you move on with life before knowing your path, position, orientation? Why yes of course. How else are you going to find out, other than by living life and gathering experiences.?

Maybe it's the way my life has panned out so far, maybe it's just the way I am, I don't know, but I'm very Bohemian in nature, sometimes I feel as if I'm stuck in a time warp, but I tend to make it up as I go along. Maybe it's because I've lived a lot of life already, maybe I've made just too many mistakes - something I'm pretty good at, in fact sometimes I think it's just another hobby.. but then again being in the wrong place at the wrong time has given me so many opportunities.

I see life and relationships as being two different things. It's the relationships which shape your life. We all come from the same source, the womb of a woman, we all have a mother, and nobody quite shapes our life as much as our mother or immediate family. It doesn't matter how your relationship with your mother turns out, because it shapes your life, and it's usually the death of your mother which brings it home just how mortal you really are and how fragile your life really is. We have different relationships with different people, friendships, family relationships, neighbours, employers, coworkers, and the people we share intimacy with, people we share our lives with.

When it comes to introducing children into your life, then yes, I feel that at least for the next twenty or so years you should have answers to the major questions in your life, but when it comes to a sexual or intimate relationship not necessarily so. To form a relationship with someone you need nothing other than an open mind and an open heart. If you are true to yourself (both of you) true to your values and true to other people in your life then together you should be able to overcome whatever life throws at you and time will sort out the rest and help you write your own love story. How you cope with life is somewhat secondary I feel to how you cope with each other.

Life for me is a constant balancing act - I'm seeking to satiate the needs and desires of my soul but I'm also seeking to be connected to the world and people around me. I try to see myself in other people and to see them in me, to understand that yes, I am a unique individual, but then I can only bring value and meaning to this world and to this life if I share myself with other people and allow them to share themselves with me. It is only through living among the living that I can remain connected not just with the physical but also with the spiritual for I am both matter and energy and this is fundamental to my existence.

One of the most important questions in life is 'why?'.. Sure you can ask people, they might be able to explain to you, they might not, but I find it's often better to reach out, be there, and to walk at least a mile with them along their chosen path through life. Quite often when you're walking this mile with them you discover things not just about them but also about yourself.

This helps you to learn about other people, and through this human nature, but it also teaches you about yourself an enables you to be able to define yourself to some extent and to use your definitions as a guide for other people to get to know you.

However this makes it all sound rather jolly and would probably make for a lot of happy bunnies in this world, were it not for reality and perception. Quite often there's a slight difference as to how we see ourselves and how other people see us, but also how we see our lives and how other people see our lives.

The problem with labels and definitions is that some people tend to classify others and pigeonhole other people into categories, when in reality they are only a sort of guide.

But you know, living is about being unsure, about having doubts, about making mistakes, about having fears, it's about losing, failing, because to get at the truth you have to reach out and explore the illusions, and you often have to wade into that mess before you find both structure and some sort of a pattern.

We are imperfect and we live imperfect lives in an imperfect world. This is why love requires a broken heart to find it, and an open mind, because though we may be admired and respected for our achievements we are often loved for our imperfections and vulnerability. You cannot find acceptance until you can learn to deal with rejection, and you have no hope of success until you have learned to cope with failure and to find not just answers to questions but solutions to problems. Living is the route to everything and everyone we need for a happy, fulfilling and meaningful life.

Living is the only way to meet the challenge of death, for not every opportunity comes back and not everyone gets the chance to say goodbye. There is no greater tragedy than to have died without ever having lived.




SailingBum -> RE: Living Life (4/21/2008 11:13:43 PM)

For me is real simple stuff.  I will attempt most things once to see if I enjoi it.  If I like it I do it again.  Do I attempt to be perfect at it hell no.  Do I enjoi my life hell yes.  Life is not a dress rehersal.  Get out there and do it.

BadOne




charmdpetKeira -> RE: Living Life (4/22/2008 2:08:08 AM)

I “lived” thirty-three years before I even considered I was not becoming the person I was meant to be. It was another three years, before I got to CM; my first  experience with people whom were serious about D/s relationships.
 
I’ve been here for almost two years now, and have gone from, “I have no idea what I’m doing or if I even belong”; to “You can bet your sweet… I’m a pet.
(I won’t bet, unless it’s a sure thing, or I don’t care about the loss.)
 
Even my perspective of what being a pet means to/for me, has been refined since I made that choice.
 
Life is a learning experience, if you don’t live it, you can’t learn.
 
Having expectations is only unbeneficial, if one puts so much stock into them, they can not see the benefit from an experience, because it did not turn out the way they had expected.
 
There is positive in everything, one only needs to look for it.
 
k




lally3 -> RE: Living Life (4/22/2008 3:39:56 AM)

its crazy to put your life on hold for something else, but people do.

ive always been someone who when an opportunity comes along i take it, often without much thought, sometimes i land on my face sometimes i land on my feet, but each time i grow and that is what life is all about.

exposing yourself to risks and knock backs isnt for everyone, its much safer not to -

without realising it i have lived all of my life submissive - the difference now is that i intend to live the rest of my life in celebration of that fact and be with someone who understands me.  it is possible to be what you are and not recognise it or choose to avoid it, but for me anyway, i was unfulfilled and frustrated.

sexually, emotionally, physically and psychologically i have never felt so alive or powerful in myself - it might be a hard path to take, full of pitfalls, pot holes and dissapointments but searching is all part of the journey and yes its worth it, if only because i remain true to who i am and what i believe is the right path for me.




StormsSlave -> RE: Living Life (4/22/2008 5:04:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark


 
The question is do you live life before you make the discovery of what you are - ie dominant, gay, poly, submissive, gorean, pet, baby, mistress etc(insertlabelhere) before you get on with your life and move forward on it?

 
I'm not sure that one has anything to do with the other. It's not as if I lived my whole life in a fog until the day I discovered my subliness.  Life has been enjoyable, happy, crappy, miserable, loving, hateful, contented, angry, etc, etc.  It's been life.  Now that kink has become the norm (??) in my life, I'm just trying to live fully and enjoy the good things.

 
Should you move on with life, without knowing your path, position or orientation?
No one ever knows anything.  The who that I was one year ago is completely different from the who that I am now.  If I knew where I was going, I might have gone a different way, then where would I be?  [:)]  Knowing that I am sub/domme/switch changes nothing about the fact that life is going to move on. 
 
Do you believe it is possible to have a sexual or intimate relationship with another person when you do not understand where your life is, or may be going - or should you live your life without expectations and go with the flow?
 Not have sex or intimacy because I'm a little confused??  Not for me.  I don't wanna disregard the future, but wasting a beautiful opportunity for intimacy would be very sad for me.   I have no idea where I'm going at this point.  I have a workable plan, but in the wise words of Forest Gump, "Shit happens."  I vote for flexibility, always, and the ability live in the moment.   
Does 'searching' achieve anything positive?
Searching is always good, but if all of life is about the search, what's the point?  You're missing out on the wonderful thing in front of you.  Enjoy what you've got, embrace the important moments, and try to remember everything you can.  It's not the things I've done in life that I regret, it's the things I didn't do.  I'm sure some famous person said that, but it sure rings true for me.  Life's too short to spend it searching for something you might never find.  Search, but for pity's sake, LIVE too!

the.dark.




Sundowner -> RE: Living Life (4/23/2008 4:54:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: softness

ok so feel free ....

... lots of lovely stuff ...

But nothing compares to that memory so it was worth the risk, every second was worth the risk.



[sm=smile.gif]  every now and then you so hit the spot! I don't agree with everything you say, or with everything I think you think, but this was clear and beautiful.




softness -> RE: Living Life (4/23/2008 9:53:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sundowner

quote:

ORIGINAL: softness

ok so feel free ....

... lots of lovely stuff ...

But nothing compares to that memory so it was worth the risk, every second was worth the risk.



[sm=smile.gif]  every now and then you so hit the spot! I don't agree with everything you say, or with everything I think you think, but this was clear and beautiful.


*blows kisses * .. thankyou




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