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RE: Quote of the Day - 4/23/2008 3:09:08 AM   
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How many people believe that: a major overhaul and reduction in government, a major overhaul in the manner of which business relates to government, and a major overhaul in the monetary system are even needed? 



Indicators that will prove a measure of the above sentiments are few and far between.

Roughly 50% of eligible voters turned out at the last British election. I suppose this could prove one of a few points; one of them being there is widespread disillusionment with the current system. I'd say most people in this country know the game is rigged. I deem the more pressing question with regard to England to be "do people care?", rather than "do people know?".

Regardless, assuming the point in your quote is an accurate one, people have chosen that path for themselves; they've chosen to not understand the complexities of the system. They have the wherewithal at their disposal in the event they choose to exercise their stake in the community or nation.

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It seems to me that we would be hard pressed to find even 5 people from everyone on this board who would agree with my views... a very small percentage of what may potentially be an even more open-minded group than the vanilla world at large.
This leads me to wonder if people are really choosing to abdicate their responsibilities, or are they just unaware, confused, or simply in disagreement that a big-enough problem even exists.



I'd say you could find a broad consensus on the notion that something has seriously gone adrift with regard to the role of government and corporations. The solutions will vary, but I'd say many of us (certainly in England) realise that democracy is a sham, in both our political system (which is not democratic at all) and practice.

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I'm actually hoping that you are correct, and I am mistaken here! For if you are correct, then there is more hope for change.



I'd say I'm less than optimistic on the matter too, Subfever.

I mean, English culture and tradition doesn't lend toward grand ideas, dreams, and aspirations; so, I can't see from where we're going to be struck with the impetus for radical change. This doesn't mean we don't know something is wrong; it's probably more the case that politicians are not trusted. It's a choice, however, all the same.

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RE: Quote of the Day - 4/23/2008 9:22:32 AM   
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RE: Quote of the Day - 4/23/2008 5:39:17 PM   
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Regardless, assuming the point in your quote is an accurate one, people have chosen that path for themselves; they've chosen to not understand the complexities of the system. They have the wherewithal at their disposal in the event they choose to exercise their stake in the community or nation.


How would you slice the demographic pie between those who are:

Intellectually or otherwise lazy
Intellectually incapable
Too invested in the status quo

And in your opinion, is there any other noteworthy group I may have overlooked?






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RE: Quote of the Day - 4/23/2008 5:41:04 PM   
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“What always staggers me is that when people blow their noses, they always look into their hankies to see what came out. What do they expect to find?”
Billy Connolly


If I feel more coming out than usual, I always check to make sure I haven't blown any of my brains out!

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RE: Quote of the Day - 4/23/2008 10:19:43 PM   
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To claim they have become disillussioned first you have to prove that at some point the percentage who voted that were eligable was significntly higher than it is today.
I am not sure this is the case.

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