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subfever -> Quote of the Day (4/18/2008 6:58:24 PM)
"Democracy has proved only that the best way to gain power over people is to assure the people that they are ruling themselves. Once they believe that, they make wonderfully submissive slaves." ... Joseph Sobran Comments?

luckydog1 -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/18/2008 7:36:16 PM)
Thats the only thing that has been shown? Seems rather simplistic. Though in sentiment the quote makes sense. There is a reason we Don't live in a Democracy, but instead in a limited Constituional Republic, with democratic aspects.

UtopianRanger -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/18/2008 9:55:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever "Democracy has proved only that the best way to gain power over people is to assure the people that they are ruling themselves. Once they believe that, they make wonderfully submissive slaves." ... Joseph Sobran Comments? That quote may be attributed to a guy with the last name of Sobran, but that's right out of '' Goebbels '' book [;)] Here's one that reminds me of the same : ''The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principal is born in mind….constantly. It must confine itself to a few points…and repeat them over and over and over…..'' - R

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/18/2008 10:04:13 PM)
quote: *Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious.* Buzz words. They sit sround thinking stuff up, and then they get it out to the masses. We are desensitized, and they are rolling in the aisles as they hear it repeated back. It is now "truth". Here's one to think about from one of My faves (Ben Franklin, of course) *When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.* Edited because I didn't spell desensitize right! I am probably still spelling it incorrectly. And to quote The Ranger...[;)]

subfever -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/18/2008 10:12:37 PM)
Ahh... UR and GDG, two of my favorite people, save my sinking thread just in the nick of time with intelligent responses... Now I can go to sleep with a smile on my face... [:D]

subfever -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/18/2008 10:15:24 PM)
(still waiting for Lucky's post to be cleared by the Mods)

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/18/2008 10:24:21 PM)
Well, it's late so we may not see that until tomorrow! Glad to know that you survived the tremblor near Chi-town! [sm=yahoo.gif] I just love all the new smiley icons!

subfever -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/18/2008 10:33:04 PM)
I did more than survive it. I slept through it... [sm=smile.gif]

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/18/2008 10:36:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger It must confine itself to a few points…and repeat them over and over and over…..'' Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. ...

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/18/2008 11:41:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger It must confine itself to a few points…and repeat them over and over and over…..'' Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are not criminals. ... I just bet you cheated and did a copy and paste on that! Somehow that fails the repitition test! [;)]

meatcleaver -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/19/2008 1:27:47 AM)
Democracy will never be allowed but then only a minority of people want the responsibility of living in a democracy, most are happy living with their brain in neutral as long as they have TV and McDonalds.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/19/2008 7:28:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Democracy will never be allowed but then only a minority of people want the responsibility of living in a democracy, most are happy living with their brain in neutral as long as they have TV and McDonalds. I'm curious about one thing: Who exactly is disallowing democracy? Who are these people with such power in the world?

krikket -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/19/2008 7:46:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Democracy will never be allowed but then only a minority of people want the responsibility of living in a democracy, most are happy living with their brain in neutral as long as they have TV and McDonalds. I'm curious about one thing: Who exactly is disallowing democracy? Who are these people with such power in the world? Probably the same people that Ben Franklin wrote about when he said: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." At times I've thought about making needlepoint pillow of this for the White House, but i'm sure they think they're already .... [sm=lalala.gif] cheers, jimini

subfever -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/19/2008 10:45:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: krikket quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Democracy will never be allowed but then only a minority of people want the responsibility of living in a democracy, most are happy living with their brain in neutral as long as they have TV and McDonalds. I'm curious about one thing: Who exactly is disallowing democracy? Who are these people with such power in the world? Probably the same people that Ben Franklin wrote about when he said: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." At times I've thought about making needlepoint pillow of this for the White House, but i'm sure they think they're already .... [sm=lalala.gif] cheers, jimini [:D]

MmeGigs -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/19/2008 11:59:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever "Democracy has proved only that the best way to gain power over people is to assure the people that they are ruling themselves. Once they believe that, they make wonderfully submissive slaves." ... Joseph Sobran Comments? "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

NorthernGent -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/19/2008 12:10:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever "Democracy has proved only that the best way to gain power over people is to assure the people that they are ruling themselves. Once they believe that, they make wonderfully submissive slaves." ... Joseph Sobran Comments? In a situation where the government is subservient to corporate interests, the people remain, in effect, masters of their own destiny; they've simply chosen to abdicate their responsibilities. You can't grab/gain power from those who aren't prepared to hand it over. The problem is not a political idea such as Democracy; the problem, if you deem poverty of aspiration to be a problem, is the extent of people's aspirations.

stella41b -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/19/2008 4:38:38 PM)
"It is enough that people know that there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." Joseph Stalin

subfever -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/19/2008 6:15:50 PM)
quote: In a situation where the government is subservient to corporate interests, the people remain, in effect, masters of their own destiny; they've simply chosen to abdicate their responsibilities. You can't grab/gain power from those who aren't prepared to hand it over. On the surface, this sounded good. It even seemed to make logical sense. But then I thought about it more. How many people believe that: a major overhaul and reduction in government, a major overhaul in the manner of which business relates to government, and a major overhaul in the monetary system are even needed? It seems to me that we would be hard pressed to find even 5 people from everyone on this board who would agree with my views... a very small percentage of what may potentially be an even more open-minded group than the vanilla world at large. This leads me to wonder if people are really choosing to abdicate their responsibilities, or are they just unaware, confused, or simply in disagreement that a big-enough problem even exists. I'm actually hoping that you are correct, and I am mistaken here! For if you are correct, then there is more hope for change.

subfever -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/19/2008 6:17:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MmeGigs quote: ORIGINAL: subfever "Democracy has proved only that the best way to gain power over people is to assure the people that they are ruling themselves. Once they believe that, they make wonderfully submissive slaves." ... Joseph Sobran Comments? "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln Old Abe was sure a wise one!

subfever -> RE: Quote of the Day (4/19/2008 6:20:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stella41b "It is enough that people know that there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." Joseph Stalin LOL... sort of reminded me of "If voting really mattered, it would be illegal." (though I'm not sure who made that quote)

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