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pahunkboy -> cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 1:59:36 PM)
Mom called late the other night. Crying into the phone. She took her cat to the pound [IL] and changed her mind. The cat was adopted out 1 hour later. My sister had called talked to a clerk -no luck. The new owner took it right away to be groomed. So mom was balling. I said- you have 3 choices, you can call the manager, you can get another cat, you can choose to not get a cat. The next day; she talked to the manager, who is un-willing to put a notation on the account that if the new owner brings it back- that she is to be called. She said she would pay any price. I asked which shelter. She read the card. ABC shelter, anytown IL, John Doe manager. I gasped. The manager is my ex of 7 years. I said nothing. Later that night- she called me. She said my one brother said he was optimistic about her cat. Again, I did not let on, that I know the manager. It is possible he doesnt want her to have the cat. Im sure he would know who she is- I am friends with his mother too. Anyhow she paid $40 and her signature had to be notarized to give up the cat. Any ideas??

pahunkboy -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 2:02:03 PM)
Once my sister and brother think about it- they likely will recall that they know this guy. Both met him. As did my mom years ago. He was at our house for a holiday dinner. The cat is nutered, 5 years old., calico black.

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 2:04:31 PM)
she gave up a calico!!! OMG>>>> NO NONO... i always wanted one of them... cant find them around here unless you know someone who had kittens...

angelikaJ -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 2:57:15 PM)
I don't think it is very likely that they would return the cat to her because she surrendered it...it is likely against agency policy. Also, [they] would assume that at best she has some feelings of ambivalence or else she would not have given it up. Actions carry consequences...even for our parents.

pahunkboy -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 3:14:00 PM)
Im not a cat person, so it is hard to grasp the immense attachment. There is always someone giving kittens away. The cat was spoiled like a kid. It could be defiant.... agency policy- hmm. surely mom isnt the first person who changed her mind ?

Maya2001 -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 3:18:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl she gave up a calico!!! OMG>>>> NO NONO... i always wanted one of them... cant find them around here unless you know someone who had kittens... WTF ?????? Calico simply means .... coloured patchesas the markings it is not a breed , thou it is less common to occur in males quote: Most calico cats are females. For some knotty twist in nature and genetic reasons, it will take a two X chromosomes in the conception for a kitty to become a calico. A male would be required to possess two X and a Y chromosome in order to become a calico cat, and this only happens in rare occurrences. Thus for every 3,000 calico cats, there will only be approximately one male to be found. In addition to this, the male Calico cats are usually sterile. this cat rescue in TO has 3 out of 14 available cats http://www.homelesscatrescue.com/index.shtml Sorry for the little thread hijack, pahunkboy ... If I were you, I am not sure I would want to get involved as there is not really anything you can do .....and you may get answers in the end that you may not like for example ...is this shelter a no kill??? if it was euthansia day the cat may have been euthanized due to being older since most most people want kittens unless it is some special breed like a persian or burmese, many shelters will not hold adult cats for long as they as the staff do not want to get emotionally attached to them..part of the harsh realities of working in a shelter..there is simply too many unwanted animals. Most no kill shelters would first put a new surrendered cat in quarantine first for a couple of days to ensure it is not ill before placing it with the other adoptables as some respitory illnesses can spread to all the cats and result in mass deaths so having a quarantine area for new cats brought in is common to limit that danger from occuring, once you mother signed over the release she gave up all rights to the cat, many shelters will also keep that release to use aa a record to prevent a person from adopting another animal again from the shelter as they are now considered an irresponsible pet owner since pets as supposed to be for life not just when convenient. If the cat was adopted out than the adopter is the legal owner and your mom will no longer hjave any legal claim to the cat so there is nothing the staff at the shelter can do to get the cat back...signing the release forfeited all her rights to the cat.. so knowing the manager does not mean he has the ability to do anything to help out.. even in cases where an animal somehow escapes from an original owner then is picked up by animal control or found and turned over to a shelter and then gets adopted out , the original owner will have a hard time trying to get their pet back often they will then have to go to court for a judge to decide and even then there is no guarantees they willl get their pet back

angelikaJ -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 3:19:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy agency policy- hmm. surely mom isnt the first person who changed her mind ? No, I am sure she isn't...which is why they needed a policy. Just curious... why did she decide to give her away?

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 3:20:30 PM)
quote: WTF ?????? Calico simply means .... coloured patchesas the markings it is not a breed , thou it is less common to occur in males yes and here you see a black and white cat...or an all grey cat...or all black cat..or all white cat...you dont see calico's often at all. i had a.black brown and orange kitty in the 80s..i called her cookie...thats what she looked like a chocolate chip cookie

angelikaJ -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 3:24:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl she gave up a calico!!! OMG>>>> NO NONO... i always wanted one of them... cant find them around here unless you know someone who had kittens... faery...male calicos have an XXY chromonsonal configuration...

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 3:26:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl she gave up a calico!!! OMG>>>> NO NONO... i always wanted one of them... cant find them around here unless you know someone who had kittens... faery...male calicos have an XXY chromonsonal configuration... many animals are intersexed...more so of the hermaphrodite variety of intersexed.

pahunkboy -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 3:39:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Maya2001 quote: ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl she gave up a calico!!! OMG>>>> NO NONO... i always wanted one of them... cant find them around here unless you know someone who had kittens... WTF ?????? Calico simply means .... coloured patchesas the markings it is not a breed , thou it is less common to occur in males quote: Most calico cats are females. For some knotty twist in nature and genetic reasons, it will take a two X chromosomes in the conception for a kitty to become a calico. A male would be required to possess two X and a Y chromosome in order to become a calico cat, and this only happens in rare occurrences. Thus for every 3,000 calico cats, there will only be approximately one male to be found. In addition to this, the male Calico cats are usually sterile. this cat rescue in TO has 3 out of 14 available cats http://www.homelesscatrescue.com/index.shtml Sorry for the little thread hijack, pahunkboy ... If I were you, I am not sure I would want to get involved as there is not really anything you can do .....and you may get answers in the end that you may not like for example ...is this shelter a no kill??? if it was euthansia day the cat may have been euthanized due to being older since most most people want kittens unless it is some special breed like a persian or burmese, many shelters will not hold adult cats for long as they as the staff do not want to get emotionally attached to them..part of the harsh realities of working in a shelter..there is simply too many unwanted animals. Most no kill shelters would first put a new surrendered cat in quarantine first for a couple of days to ensure it is not ill before placing it with the other adoptables as some respitory illnesses can spread to all the cats and result in mass deaths so having a quarantine area for new cats brought in is common to limit that danger from occuring, once you mother signed over the release she gave up all rights to the cat, many shelters will also keep that release to use aa a record to prevent a person from adopting another animal again from the shelter as they are now considered an irresponsible pet owner since pets as supposed to be for life not just when convenient. If the cat was adopted out than the adopter is the legal owner and your mom will no longer hjave any legal claim to the cat so there is nothing the staff at the shelter can do to get the cat back...signing the release forfeited all her rights to the cat.. so knowing the manager does not mean he has the ability to do anything to help out.. even in cases where an animal somehow escapes from an original owner then is picked up by animal control or found and turned over to a shelter and then gets adopted out , the original owner will have a hard time trying to get their pet back often they will then have to go to court for a judge to decide and even then there is no guarantees they willl get their pet back one gets penalized for that? that is amazing! If the cat is gone, fine...but for her to be disallowed from adopting another one makes no sense. If it lives 1 additional week- then that is a plus. In the old days- they would put kittens in a sack, with a rock, toss it into the river. Im thinking it is a no kill shelter. A pet for life is not rational. 50% of marriages do not last for life. Our local shelter prosecutes people from dropping off after after hours- they set up a camera to catch the criminals. Plenty of farms let cats around to kill mice.

pahunkboy -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 3:41:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy agency policy- hmm. surely mom isnt the first person who changed her mind ? No, I am sure she isn't...which is why they needed a policy. Just curious... why did she decide to give her away? I dont know. Apparantly she did not think it thru.

pahunkboy -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 3:42:45 PM)
Maya, Thank you. I think it must have been killed.

xxblushesxx -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 5:01:42 PM)
I disagree. A pet for life is ...well...isn't that the way it's supposed to be? Why would your mom who loves this cat so much give it to a shelter instead of finding it a good home? I really don't understand. She probably needs to think about what she wants. Pets are a lot of work.

Daddysredhead -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 5:45:04 PM)
Where I live, once you sign over an animal to the shelter, you can never adopt one from there. Also, they do not adopt out so quickly after a sign-over. They do a preliminary health check-up and animals are adoptable after 72 hours. During the "quarantine" time, no one is allowed to view them for adoption, but the staff still plays with them. Once you sign it over, it's a done deal. No exceptions. No returns. No kidding.

Maya2001 -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 5:56:25 PM)
quote: A pet for life is not rational. 50% of marriages do not last for life. Yes but a marriage is a joint commitment each partner having a say in the decision to be together and the spouse does not have to be fully dependent on the other. so totally different. It is more like the responsibilty that should be taken when you decide to have a child but different again as a pet will never become self sufficient, it will remain fully dependent on you. Barn cats are totally different as they are allowed to remaining semi feral they are not really pets they are closer to the wild squirrel that can be taught to come take peanuts out of your hand they never are fully dependant on a human nor develop the bond a pet does. Taking on a pet ... the animal has no say and will never become fully independant of you but they also become extremely devoted to those that own them... they are capable of love, but they can also grieve much the same as we do when we suffer loss, where they don't want to eat, experience depression etc. I have owned 2 animals that have went thru over 6 months grieving to put in human years that is like a 3 1/2 year grieving period one of them was a dog who was mourning her former owners who owned her for 3 years and then decided she was to much inconvenience so dumped her.... she was 7 years when I got her and my heart used to break watching how much pain, hurt and confusion she went thru, the adoption group that took her in only had kennels and that added to her suffering she was doing so poorly refusing to eat or drink they were afraid she would end up killing herself due to her grief..so they were desperate to get her into a home so called me up and asked if I would take her. This is her when I brought her home, her skin was sagging due to dehydration , she was scared and confused and she looked and acted far older than she was http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/mleg2001/?action=view&current=fd58a1b9.jpg she only had 18 more months to live..6 months of it wasted grieving for people who did not deserve her loyality. People that do not form bonds with their pet are not good owners and tend to contribute to the problem of pet over population, most want a puppy or kitten but as soon as it looses it's cuteness factor they dump it and then get a another youngster, which is the reason so many puppy mills exists inorder to support these people that want cuteness or look at pets as being disposable products but don't want the commitment and the responsibilities . also consider that almost 10 million animals are euthanized every year in the US most young healthy adults adopting them for a week until the novelty wears off does not help solve the problems. An animal is not some disposable replacable product like buying a new coat because of slight wear and tear or because your old one is no longer in style... it is a responsibilty those that prove they are not willing to be responsible and commited should not be allowed to own, unless they have a reasonable excuse why they cannot keep and that is one thing that most shelters will ask when the surrender paperwork is done and is taken into consideration along with the condition of the animal when you turn it in for example illness prevents you from caring for or you lost your job and can no longer support the animal, so in certain situations a shelter would consider you again should your circumstances change. I have 4 dogs all included in my photos in my profile 2 seniors, 1 middle age and 1 young adult, and every one of them I made a life long commitment to for however long I am lucky enough to have them and many times it means making personal sacrifices on my end, and unlike a marriage the dogs will continue to be devoted to me for the rest of their lives, that is one thing I am guaranteed, they are no where near as fickle when it comes to love and devotion as many humans are.

KatyLied -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 6:09:40 PM)
quote: but for her to be disallowed from adopting another one makes no sense. She took a cat to a shelter and you are wondering why they won't allow her to have another. It seems obvious to me.

xxblushesxx -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 6:09:47 PM)
I have not always been the devoted person my pets deserved. I have since grown and realized how much it meant, and how much I could have meant. HoneyMaster is totally devoted to animals, but has a hard heart towards people (especially children and those who can't stick up for themselves) at times. I call him Saint Francis. But when you don't treat others, animals or people, in the right way, it hurts you. And them.

kc692 -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 8:23:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Maya2001 quote: ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl one gets penalized for that? that is amazing! If the cat is gone, fine...but for her to be disallowed from adopting another one makes no sense. If it lives 1 additional week- then that is a plus. In the old days- they would put kittens in a sack, with a rock, toss it into the river. Im thinking it is a no kill shelter. A pet for life is not rational. 50% of marriages do not last for life. Our local shelter prosecutes people from dropping off after after hours- they set up a camera to catch the criminals. Plenty of farms let cats around to kill mice. Maya, Thank you. I think it must have been killed. Now I'm confused......anyhoo, I have 4 cats, the oldest 18 years old the others all acquired (or they acquired us, lol) in the last year and a half. The oldest barely had his eyes open when he ran out in front of my car 18 years ago. The 2nd came from the shelter. The third showed up on my back porch with sarcoptic mange(which only dogs supposedly get). The fourth was a stray the neighbors across the street took in and was hit by a car and walked around in a cast because it was an outside cat untill after the cast came off and it took to hanging out on my back porch. They are all inside cats, and yes, it takes time, effort and money to take care of them. Saying this, they are as innocent and helpless as children, and it IS a lifetime commitment. They throw up every once in a while, the last three still have claws and we have to watch our furniture like a hawk (and are losing that battle) but to throw them away because they are a little "defiant" and then wonder why someone would not give them back, or not let us have more to throw away again is inconceivable. I do not believe the manager did that because he knew you and was an ex, I believe it was done because your mother WILLINGLY drove the cat to the shelter and asked to give up her responsibility to care. The cat is lucky that it WAS adopted out so quickly, some (most) are not that lucky. The shelter acted in the best interest of the cat, and in the case of not letting her have more, the best interest of future cats. As you put it "people give away kittens all the time". If she wanted to get another one (which I do not think would bode well for the cat if it ever misbehaved, as cats are liable to do, since they are after all, cats, lol,) she can get another one. I would not like to think what would happen. Most cat people (as evidenced from these boards) know cats rule the household. If someone forgets that caveat, they dont need a cat.

DesFIP -> RE: cat. mom. -> (4/18/2008 8:37:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy A pet for life is not rational. 50% of marriages do not last for life. You know, I was talking to a friend tonight. Both our kids ride horses, show competitively and in high ranking national competitions. These horses, once they have a solid history of winning can be sold for upwards of $100,000. Both of us agree that the kinds of people who pay this much for a horse are not trusted to treat them well. We sell the horses for much less to people we can trust to take care of them and we hold the right of first refusal should the new owner need to sell them. That means we are willing to forego enough money to put the kids through college and grad school to ensure the horses are well treated. And we pay for their retirement. They are members of the family. If a horse can be thought of this way, think how much closer people ought to feel about pets that live inside with them? They are our children, our furkids. Oh and I know a barn cat who received over $2,000 worth of care and then became a house cat. She ought to hope that the local shelters don't share names of people who surrendered animals for no reason, or she'll never get another.

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