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PrettyPaddles -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/18/2008 7:41:13 AM)
I take the bus 15 miles to work, rather than drive my car. My car is for emergencies and certain other things, but not commuting to work. It is NOT a requirement, it is a luxury. Also, peak oil will help spur other technologies. The moment oil hits about 150 a barrel, ethanol engines become cheaper to run.

meatcleaver -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/18/2008 7:41:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Sell your car and walk, it will make you healthier and the world a little healthier too. Sure thing. I work 12 miles from home. Figuring an average of 3mph walking speed, that would take me 4 hours each way. Let's not forget that not all of that route is pedestrian friendly (no sidewalks / crosswalks at corners / etc). And in the climate here, by the time I GOT to work, I'd be hot and sweaty. JUST the professional image I want to present. Really, though, I'd take the bus - if there were any routes nearby. even if I drove (or walked hah) to the nearest route, it would still take over 3 hours to get to work, because I'd have to travel to the other side of town (on 3 buses) to catch yet another 3 buses to get back to where I need to be. Oh, and then I'd be stuck at work after my shift ends at midnight, because the buses in that area quit running at 9pm. This is the real issue, urban and semi urban areas need inexpensive and an extensive network of public transport. A pity the politicians have been bought by oil and car companies and force people into cars by neglecting public transport and subsidizing car users.

Sanity -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/18/2008 10:52:11 AM)
"Forcing people into cars"??? Oh the horror. Having to go anywhere you want, whenever you want... Who will save us? quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver This is the real issue, urban and semi urban areas need inexpensive and an extensive network of public transport. A pity the politicians have been bought by oil and car companies and force people into cars by neglecting public transport and subsidizing car users.

Sanity -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/18/2008 11:00:17 AM)
Cars are subsidized? Not hardly! Every aspect of commuting is heavily taxed. Hell, what isn't heavily taxed - especially gasoline. Then there's vehicle registration, drivers licences, traffic tickets, toll booths.... And what about all the industry that feeds off of the automobile, all the jobs provided by the auto industry. Not to mention the fact that cars make people happy. Can't have that though - too much freedom. Might not be good for the environment... we have to have a nice clean planet when the sun envelops it as a red giant, after all.

QuietlySeeking -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/20/2008 7:34:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PrettyPaddles I take the bus 15 miles to work, rather than drive my car. My car is for emergencies and certain other things, but not commuting to work. It is NOT a requirement, it is a luxury. Also, peak oil will help spur other technologies. The moment oil hits about 150 a barrel, ethanol engines become cheaper to run. Maybe in the Midwest... Here in Atlanta, E-85 is just as expensive as gasoline and I have to drive 25 miles to the nearest E-85 pump. Let's see, since E-85 gives me 20% less mileage per gallon, I would use 2 1/2 gallons to get there and back. Less expensive....not in my world.

meatcleaver -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/20/2008 11:36:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity "Forcing people into cars"??? Oh the horror. Having to go anywhere you want, whenever you want... Who will save us? quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver This is the real issue, urban and semi urban areas need inexpensive and an extensive network of public transport. A pity the politicians have been bought by oil and car companies and force people into cars by neglecting public transport and subsidizing car users. I'm not completely against cars but car owners should pay fully for their transport and not free load off those of us who don't care to own a car. Why should taxes subsidize roads for car owners? I think governments should charge the full price for people's use of the roads and particularly the pollution they produce and the environmental damage they cause. Beyond that, people should be free to own and drive cars.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/20/2008 11:50:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Sell your car and walk, it will make you healthier and the world a little healthier too. Sure thing. I work 12 miles from home. Figuring an average of 3mph walking speed, that would take me 4 hours each way. Let's not forget that not all of that route is pedestrian friendly (no sidewalks / crosswalks at corners / etc). And in the climate here, by the time I GOT to work, I'd be hot and sweaty. JUST the professional image I want to present. Really, though, I'd take the bus - if there were any routes nearby. even if I drove (or walked hah) to the nearest route, it would still take over 3 hours to get to work, because I'd have to travel to the other side of town (on 3 buses) to catch yet another 3 buses to get back to where I need to be. Oh, and then I'd be stuck at work after my shift ends at midnight, because the buses in that area quit running at 9pm. This is the real issue, urban and semi urban areas need inexpensive and an extensive network of public transport. A pity the politicians have been bought by oil and car companies and force people into cars by neglecting public transport and subsidizing car users. It's not just the politicians. The American infrastructure (for about 90% of the country) is not designed for public transportation. The infrastructure was designed 70 years ago when oil was cheap, cheap, cheap.. It will take decades and trillions of dollars to redesign the network.

spiritd1 -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/21/2008 12:12:56 AM)
Everyone should stop buying gas from Exxon until they lower their price to $1.50 a gallon. Just buy from anyother stations, we all have other s close by. It will not take long for Exxon to lower their price and the others will have to follow them. We can control the price if people will stick together.

Real_Trouble -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/21/2008 5:55:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: spiritd1 Everyone should stop buying gas from Exxon until they lower their price to $1.50 a gallon. Just buy from anyother stations, we all have other s close by. It will not take long for Exxon to lower their price and the others will have to follow them. We can control the price if people will stick together. This is inane. First - if the cost of the input is greater than the sale price you wish to achieve, you have a problem. Exxon is not going to take a loss on every gallon of gas they sell to a supplier to do you a personal favor. Second - let us assume, somehow, you manage a boycott of Exxon. Why would they not just sell to other gas companies, then? And why are you targetting them in particular? I'm going to stop before this turns into a forty page screed, but seriously, this will never work.

meatcleaver -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/21/2008 6:15:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Sell your car and walk, it will make you healthier and the world a little healthier too. Sure thing. I work 12 miles from home. Figuring an average of 3mph walking speed, that would take me 4 hours each way. Let's not forget that not all of that route is pedestrian friendly (no sidewalks / crosswalks at corners / etc). And in the climate here, by the time I GOT to work, I'd be hot and sweaty. JUST the professional image I want to present. Really, though, I'd take the bus - if there were any routes nearby. even if I drove (or walked hah) to the nearest route, it would still take over 3 hours to get to work, because I'd have to travel to the other side of town (on 3 buses) to catch yet another 3 buses to get back to where I need to be. Oh, and then I'd be stuck at work after my shift ends at midnight, because the buses in that area quit running at 9pm. This is the real issue, urban and semi urban areas need inexpensive and an extensive network of public transport. A pity the politicians have been bought by oil and car companies and force people into cars by neglecting public transport and subsidizing car users. It's not just the politicians. The American infrastructure (for about 90% of the country) is not designed for public transportation. The infrastructure was designed 70 years ago when oil was cheap, cheap, cheap.. It will take decades and trillions of dollars to redesign the network. You mean America's infrastructure will have to be put on hold because the trillions of dollars needed for its modification has been spent on an idiotic war? Sounds like someone got the priorities wrong to me.

subronnc -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/21/2008 6:35:14 AM)
If a truck can drive down a particular road, a bus can too. The problems are 1) will anyone on that road want to ride the bus. 2) are there enough people on/near that road to support/justify a bus even if a large number of people wanted to ride it. 3) the cost/benefit ratio of bus frequency on a particular route is hard to balance i.e. more people would ride the bus if it came every 10/15 minutes, but would there be enough passangers to justify running the bus that often? vs. running it every 1/2 hour would make running the route economically feasable, but how useful is it if it runs so infrequently? 4) a lot of subdivisions built in the last 30-40 years are not well connected to the rest of the city, so it only makes sense to put a bus stop at the main entrance. But some people don't want to walk that far. 5) people bought houses 10/15/20 years ago not thinking that oil would ever cost too much after the 70s crisis was handled. 6) property within walking distance to jobs and grocery stores are in short supply, driving the cost of that housing up and putting it out of reach of people who want to choose that option. Even with tolls and gas taxes, road construction and maintenance is still subsidized by state and federal governments. Not one dime for insurance and other vehicle costs goes toward road construction or maintenance. To say nothing of air quality, land use, etc. And don't ask the folks in Detroit and Flint how the car industry is creating good jobs for them. Public transportation sees next to no federal or state dollars. Especially over the last eight years. Several cities have asked for fedearl assistance to start and expand rail projects, but the governemnt has said no to pay for the war on terror.

meatcleaver -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/21/2008 8:06:36 AM)
Portland is one US city that is getting a reputation for good public transport. I've never been there so I don't know if its hype. Over the last 10 years, public transport use has gone up by 65% and they have managed to avoid a predicted 40% increase in congestion. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4777801.stm

popeye1250 -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/21/2008 10:02:21 AM)
It'd be easy to lower gas prices, just start rationing gasoline. Twenty five gallons per person per week. Then you'll see the oil companies say, "whoa, whoa, there's plenty of gas!" But in the last year of the Bush Admin. I don't think that's going to happen. They figure they can squeeze every penny out of us until he's gone.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/21/2008 12:32:49 PM)
And then when Bush is out....Barak is going to save us...right?

Lynnxz -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/21/2008 12:58:37 PM)
Hrm.... my urge to invest in a crotch rocket gets stronger and stronger.... but I have a feeling some soccer mom is going to cut me off and I'll face plant through the back window. ...but but.... now I have the ability to paint it the way I want... .. But the freaking insurance is expensive.... ..Buttttt... gas is like $4 now.... .. But, I have a habit of hitting large flying animals when on a bike... damn owls.. Damnit! Damnit!

thornhappy -> RE: Oil heading towards $125 a barrel (4/21/2008 4:46:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz Hrm.... my urge to invest in a crotch rocket gets stronger and stronger.... but I have a feeling some soccer mom is going to cut me off and I'll face plant through the back window. ...but but.... now I have the ability to paint it the way I want... .. But the freaking insurance is expensive.... ..Buttttt... gas is like $4 now.... .. But, I have a habit of hitting large flying animals when on a bike... damn owls.. Damnit! Damnit! I'm getting the same urge, except a bike's only good for about 7-8 months out of the year, at most. Gas's running about 3.35 here. Got a lot of deer here, too. And I don't remember bikes coming with old-school cowcatchers, that's for damn sure. thornhappy

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