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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 6:38:06 AM   
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Qu,  the stock market is gambling.   wall street makes money on the spread- ie churning of stock, management fees,  fees.

the big boys make the money. not the peon.    if you make say $20  the BBs make $1000.    if you lose $20 the BBs lose $0.20

the deck is stacked.  in the end one may hold a stock certificate- such wont buy a hamburger- nor will it pay the electric.

things will turn around soon and CDs will be in vogue.   Thats cause inflation and interest rates. Int rates will have to rise.  simply put- there is a liquidity crises.   if we dont lend money we dont have then it should be fine.   so when one is shirt cash??  simple.  gather cash.  IE CDs are coming. [into style]   oh- if the US wont another lovely venue WILL- you can count on it.

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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 6:49:04 AM   
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It still doesn't change the fact that SSI stinks; I can earn enough in a CD at today's rates to pace the amount that SSI is going to pay me.  If I choose to gamble a portion on the stock market or real estate or gold or international duck herding, I can invest the rest in CDs and still beat the return that SSI is giving.

And as the economy recovers, CD rates will rise; SSI return rates will remain the same.

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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 7:36:28 AM   
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I am worried, but I'm not sinking money into stocks. I'm speaking on a personal level, but I'll be damned if I trust any survey from  Scottrade and BetterInvesting.  I think saying take that money and invest it yourself is a foolish thing to do, because I don't think that many people know how to do that well. I don't trust anyone else to do it. I do not have the time to oversee each and every country, potential crisis, trade agreements  and how to use that for a political agenda. On top of that, I have to pay attention to each and every domestic scam. Thats an all day job, well, crap, I have one of those. I do the above for fun.

I sat down with a financial advisor with my now ex-husband and listened to his schpiel.  I asked him directly if it was possible to purchase stocks that were not into blood money. I'm thinking about companies that make their money by exploiting others, ex. tire companies that have 5 year olds they pay .20 a day for working 14 hour days, 7 days a week. In places like Liberia. He told me, we would never make any cash.  I got up and left. I didn't feel it was my money to play with and knew that dollar signs would outweigh humanity.  

Further, and absolutely not necessary but included, I'm so glad my generation got a name. Inclusion is everything. Somebody banked on that.

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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 8:08:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Those who left school at and around the time I did, came out into a world where there were not enough jobs. As a result, there are people of my age and around my age (40) that have never worked a day in their lives, and so never contributed a penny to any of the social welfare systems that have supported them through their lives to date. Some of us got what few jobs were available and have worked 20+ years, contributing to all of the social welfare systems which provide for our unemployed former schoolmates.

When each group reaches retirement, they are each to receive two pensions. One which is a basic and one which is contributions based or a private pension to which contributions have been made. The contributions based state pension has long been under threat - the governments of the last two decades have been desperately trying to get everyone able to do so, to sign for a private pension. The provision of the state contributions based pension would bankrupt the country. Many signed for a private pension, on promises of it being better than the state pension - and then found that the stockmarket in which their contributions were invested, lost the lot. Meanwhile those selling these pensions are still driving around in their Mercedes.....

Personally, I dont believe in handing over my money for a pig in a poke - which is what a private pension is and which many have found out to their cost. And I dont believe that there is anything beneficial to me in saving my money or investing it myself for my old age - because the social benefits system will top up the funds of those who never contributed, whilst my savings and investments will deny me such a top up. There is no advantage to gain for me, in doing the right thing.

Instead, I intend to keep working in my business for as long as possible - or at least to draw salary from my business (my kids will run it I'm planning). And I shall sell my house - because otherwise the state will require me to sell it to pay for my care in old age - another investment through my life which will come to naught and leave me no better off than if I had done nothing for myself.

And there is the problem - that we have learnt that doing the right thing is of no benefit to us. So it then becomes a little perverse to ask why we dont or wont do it.

E


Well you know it LE, I was one of those who came out of school to 25% unemployment in the glorious North West, where any job with any pay and any conditions was better than nothing, of which I took and ended doing something for the next twenty two years which I had not the slightest interest in, but it was a job. I paid all my taxes, the lot, whilst seeing those around me apparently having a better life. I might have had the money, but they had the free time and the benefits. I kept on plugging at it, more hours for money to maintain the lifestyle, until break down, the body and mind saying,' ENOUGH'

So, now I have wised up, the plan to start my own enterprise, after I have finished college and work, doing what interests me till I die on the job. So, here I am in receipt of benefits, which I can tell you is not the easiest thing to do, they not taking into account rises in the cost of necessities, food, fuel etc. Luxuries, you learn to live without, and in reality, they are not worth much, when one can go out for a walk on the cliffs or moors. Oh, and I don't defraud the system, no working on the side, I always play fair, as one has standards to live by, despite the difficulties

I am taking now, what I believe I will not get in my future,that which I have paid for in  twenty two years worth of working where I only ever took five days off sick in all that time. I have with my taxes paid for other's education, they can now pay mine and when I am working again, again I will pay tax, so someone else can benefit.

No, I have learned, to do the right thing, in the end, does not pay, I am only too glad I realised this before it was too late, as promises made by Governments are rarely kept.


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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 8:49:38 AM   
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And god forbid any of them take responsibility for their retirement planning themselves!!

Instead of buying a new flat panel tv.....maybe a CD.....)and not the little disc that plays music either)

Instead of the daily coffee shop run, make it at home and put that money in a 401K.

Instead of using a credit card to buy those sexy shoes, SAVE for them!

You know........long term planning......thinking beyond the moment......sacrificing immediate gratification......


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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 9:00:54 AM   
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But there's another problem LaT

We've grown up to learn that we can be sacked at any moment and with no guarantee of a new job at the same rates. This was unthinkable when our parents were growing up and could just turn up at a company Monday 9am and start working.

So with this uncertainty over whether we will be able to save for anything, the reaction is for us to spend all we have now (for we may not have it next month) and to acquire whatever we want (since we may otherwise never acquire it).

Certainly in the UK, if you have savings when the proverbial hits the fan, you get reduced or no welfare benefits. If on the other hand you owe a fortune on loans and cards, you get full welfare benefits and you get to put a stop on the creditors.

E

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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 9:03:45 AM   
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I'm almost afraid to say anything but I watched my parents file bankruptcy more then once, saw them lose our home, watched as my mom tried to figure out how to make a meal out of left overs.

I pay as I go and save where ever and when ever I can and if you wait approx. 3 months you can get those sexy shoes half price when they aren't the "in" thing.

So its not all in vein the kids are watching and learning what not to do.

< Message edited by LilMissHaven -- 4/16/2008 9:05:16 AM >


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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 9:04:56 AM   
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There are those, but there is also a desperate need in this country for a new technology/new industry. I think that steel was a great industry because it was all profit. Its cheaper to make shoes in Indochina then it is here.  Health care, one slip/illness etc. brings the house down.  I just don't feel its that simplistic.

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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 10:56:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

quote:

ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

as long as these Baby Boomers and older generations continue to extend living beyond the prime because of the everchanging advances in medical science, there probably won't be any Social Security for GenXers like myself.  so i might have to rock with the bands when i'm 60 ...70 ...even 80!

I can just see that big grin you were wearing while typing that!

now appearing on stage - Backstreet (Senior) Boys!  yep i'll be there at age 70 rockin' and reviewing them as they dance with their walkers and canes!


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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 11:02:17 AM   
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As one baby boomer let me add this,with my military retirement and SS ,it would be hard to make ends meet here..So thats why I have created several little business's that allow us the income to live as we please...Those that are really disabled  and on ssi or SS.I feel their pain...Retirement for me will be the day Diane scatters my ashes here on the Circle C...

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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 11:03:32 AM   
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One of the largest magnates of the last century was Andrew Carnegie.  I read his memoirs about being a young boy working for pennies a day. 

He saved.  He invested.  He never borrowed.  When the Crash of '29 hit, he was buying things because those who couldn't afford them had to sell to remain afloat.

Saving, delaying gratification, and minimizing debt may not be sexy concepts, but there are far too many people who have dug themselves out of poor conditions just by doing it.

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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 11:28:31 AM   
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Exactly and that is my point. 

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RE: Gen X on retirement - 4/16/2008 12:07:52 PM   
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For the first time in my life, I am in debt, not by a great amount, but the stigma with me, is I am in debt, I have gone against my own principles. But I had to, after my breakdown, I had to relocate to another part of the country with nothing, get a job, get accomodation and the basics needed for life, i.e. things to cook with and sleep. The job did'nt last, I was made redundant, so what payments I had made, were a waste of time. I am technically ill, and on benefits, but that does'nt stop the creditors pursuing debts, persistantly phoning all numbers and coming to my door. I made a deal with them, but come february, the month of the Northern Rock problem, they ignored the agreement. I have done everything in my power to do the right thing, but no, it has been ignored. What will stop them, is declare an IVA, but I am loathe to do that, because I intend to pay back what I owe, as is per my principles.

I live very meagre, no car, no wide screen tv, I only got a second hand washing machine from a good friend after a year of washing clothes in the wash basin, and still I run it once a month.

I am as far down now as I can go, now, the only way is up, but wiser I will be.


The only luxury I have is my computer and broad band connection and that I feel guilty for having.




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