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pahunkboy -> drinking water "myths" ???? (4/12/2008 8:28:46 AM)

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89323934

Which scientists?  Who?  From where?  The study financed by whom!?

How was the research conducted? [span of time, control group]

You may have seen me rant about drinking water.  Ill do it my way.  The benefits are immense for such a simple habit.

Most people who visit my place complain that it is too cold. So I turn up the heat; yet- I am fine.  It wasnt always this way. I used to sleep with a hat on. 

Hydration is important.  2% of loss to be "dehyrated" hmm.  no.  a car engine will still run with low anti freeze,oil;  but not for long and not full capacity.

What do you think of this study?   Why or why not?




maisy10 -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/12/2008 8:56:20 AM)

I don't care what they say, I still drink 15 glasses of water a day.




Aneirin -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/12/2008 9:28:06 AM)


Experts if they have found something different, then they may drink their own words if they are the type to use theories and chemical process to devine what their body naturally knows.

Water we all need it for which to survive, what 'experts' say I largely ignore. I find with me, what suits me I do follow my own body tells me if more water I do need.

Hot, cold, taste or colour, our natural senses do tell us what the ancients without experts did know., listen to thyself and your own truth will come to thee.




Raechard -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/12/2008 10:00:48 AM)

Ye ancient people used to get Cholera too Aneirin. Not to burst your history quest bubble or anything.




Aneirin -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/12/2008 10:11:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

Ancient people used to get Cholera too Aneirin. Not to burst your history quest or anything.


My history quest as you call it is not a quest but a means of living, and by that living true to myself.

People did and still do get Cholera despite all our modern attempts, not to mention other waterbourne problems to boot.

Rely on the senses, taste,smell and sight, if all is well go with the feeling you get, as not everything out a faucet is honest and pure.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=502442&in_page_id=1770




DomKen -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/12/2008 11:36:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin


Experts if they have found something different, then they may drink their own words if they are the type to use theories and chemical process to devine what their body naturally knows.

Water we all need it for which to survive, what 'experts' say I largely ignore. I find with me, what suits me I do follow my own body tells me if more water I do need.

Hot, cold, taste or colour, our natural senses do tell us what the ancients without experts did know., listen to thyself and your own truth will come to thee.

I'm not trying to injure anyone's delicate sensibilities but a lot of this romanticized "old ways" stuff is bullshit.

Take drinking water. For a considerable period, the 5000 years since agriculture got started at least, water was the beverage of last resort. Brewed or fermented alcoholic beverages, beer and wine, and boiled water infusions, tea and coffee, were the beverages of choice. Why? At some point it must have become clear that drinking water led to illness, cholera and a host of other diseases, while drinking beer, wine, tea and coffee didn't. These ancient peoples didn't know anything about bacteria or sterilization but they could see cause and effect.

Now clearly sufficient hydration is an unmitigated good thing and modern water treatment processes are one of the great successes of public health and I do think drinking water is an excellent source of hydration since it avoids all those nasty calories but to claim that its good because the ancient people drank it is bunk.




Termyn8or -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/14/2008 10:00:39 PM)

DK that is interesting. I mean on the most simplistic level remember when in Mexico "Don't drink the water", well what the hell do you drink ?

I do disagree with your shunning of "old ways". I will agree that some of the old ways were wrong, and I mean some of them were REALLY wrong, but nonetheless enough of them were right, otherwise we would not be here.

However I will not romanticise about the old ways. There are many things that have changed. People used to be able to live on biscuits and gravy, but no more. The nutrients are no longer in those things in sufficient quantity to sustain human life. They used to let a chicken rot before cooking it I heard, well some did. I don't think I'll embrace that custom..

But the old ways were the old ways because they worked, there was usually no alternative to some things. We can't discount them completely. While I do make dietary and other decisions based on "the old ways" I know the limitations of that type of thinking.

Water is no different really. My life today is how it is, and when I am in an environment in which I can't drink beer, I drink very little fluids. The only other thing I drink is bottled water at work. Drinking that I can taste the difference and actually am considering bumming some off of them to make some tea or something. I'd pay for it, and I know they do not want to run out, but we all agree that tap water sucks.

(See I can meander back to the subject)

Some of the chemicals in alot of tap water are necessary, for example clorination. Heating the water easily removes that, but unfortunately it also removes other gases that naturally dissolve in water. There's not alot, but there is some, errrrr, there was. So if you boil tap water and refrgerate it, it doesn't make it God's gift. Far from it.

Flouridation of the water supply has also been the topic of much debate. They say it helps people's teeth yet dentists are making a killing. Also, researchers found that lab rats fed high dosages of the sodium flouride used in the water made them appear less intelligent. That is they noted poorer times for running through a maze and things like that. Of course they overloaded them with it so you might call it an unfair comparison. Seems so until you factor in the relative cognitive level of a human to a lab rat.

And the word to notice there was sodium. Sodium flouride is a byproduct of nuclear waste. It is a solid. Almost anything you combine with sodium is solid at room temperature. That means boiling the water will not remove the flouride, it would if it were a gas dissolved in the water like chlorine, but it is not.

Disregarding city water for now, in the old days people learned how to brew coffee and tea. In doing so many times the water is heated or boiled. Before modern treatment plants I have no doubt that alot of disease was transmitted via the water supply. Of course back then many times they lacked the means to scientifically prove it out. If the water was discovered to be tainted it was by physical, empirical evidence of the most rudimentary kind.

A friend of mine's Mom used to say "They're putting something in the water", and I mean she was used to chlorinated water, but whatever this was it did not taste right to her.

Funny that happened to me a few years ago with milk. More recently I heard that milk is now "stabilized" which approximately doubles it's shelf life. I used to be an avid milk drinker and in the time of a few months I no longer wanted it at all. Did my taste change that quickly ?

All I know is this, I can smell tap water, but I can't smell bottled water. What does that tell me ?

T




subfever -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/14/2008 10:33:31 PM)

I had to laugh when I read "Other zero-calorie options such as diet sodas are fine, too."

You couldn't pay me to drink chemically-sweetened drinks.




Termyn8or -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/14/2008 10:55:05 PM)

sub, I wouldn't do it at gunpoint.

T




stella41b -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 5:05:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

DK that is interesting. I mean on the most simplistic level remember when in Mexico "Don't drink the water", well what the hell do you drink ?

T


cerveza.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 5:11:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subfever

I had to laugh when I read "Other zero-calorie options such as diet sodas are fine, too."

You couldn't pay me to drink chemically-sweetened drinks.

I had to laugh when I read termin8ter's post. If I feel energetic later, I'll shred it.




SugarMyChurro -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 5:21:35 AM)

Tap water is generally excellent all over the U.S.:

http://www.valleywater.org/tapvbottle/




sub4hire -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 7:28:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
Tap water is generally excellent all over the U.S.:


That is not true.  There are places where you cannot drink the water.  Few but they do exist.  We live in a town where the entire town have our own wells.  We also live on a hill.  The people down the hill, well the water smells so bad its hard to even get it to your mouth and if you do.  Well it will shortly be coming out another side of you.

Even in much larger places like Omaha..in parts of the city that water will gag you as well.  In California it was no different.  It really depends on where you are, which is why bottled water people are billionairres now.
For someone like me whose favorite beverage is water.  I am blessed to live where I do now.  Our well water is exceptional.  Perfect temp and perfect taste everytime.

I easily save a few grand a year minimum on bottled water.  Now the only time I carry a bottle is when at the gym...for some reason no matter what gym you are in anywhere in the US the water in almost undrinkable. 




DomKen -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 11:02:58 AM)

Bottled water is, almost without exception, some city's tap water. It may have been filtered before bottling but even that isn't terribly common. Penn and Teller did a show about it where they showed that people couldn't tell tap from bottled.




DomKen -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 11:12:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

DK that is interesting. I mean on the most simplistic level remember when in Mexico "Don't drink the water", well what the hell do you drink ?

Primarily the distilled product of fermenting the fruit of the blue agave. Sometimes I dilute it with lime juice and orange liqueur.

Seriously I drink american brands of bottled water when I'm in mexico mostly. I tend to vacation at the nicer resorts so they're usually pretty good about have plenty available. 




pahunkboy -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 11:21:28 AM)

Funny thing.  Mom always craved Chicago water. For many years it had great water.  Now that she moved back- she STILL buys bottled water.

She also says you cant get a good cup of coffee there.  Well I dont think Chicago celebrates coffee like we do in PA.

LA water makes my throat bad- as in soar.  It must be the tar pits.

As far as coffee killing germs- it would have to be boiled- and not like todays drip coffee pots???




hopelessfool -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 11:27:26 AM)

I was once stupid, and decided on a whim to drink bleach as a dare. I cant drink tap water because I can taste the chorine in it now. It doesnt matter where its from I can taste it. I wouldnt drink my tap water were I am now for the simple fact, before winter, my hair was wonderfully soft and pretty. I use the same shampoo same conditioner, but they added chemicals to the water to make it less likely to freeze in the pipes, and now my hair is damaged and it crys for love. If It can kill my hair, It most likely can kill me...




Archer -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 12:39:41 PM)

Your own source article answers most of your questions about the article.
Which scientists?  Dr Goldfarb likely noted this in his original work but it got skipped to prevent boredom when picked up for the AP News. Who? Dr Goldfarb From where? a kidney expert at the University of Pennsylvania The study financed by whom!? Usually papers written for scientific Jounals are written to get professional development credit for published works, the old adage being "Publish or Perish" so likely this article was written unfunded except by the professor's salaried time being used to research and write it.

How was the research conducted? [span of time, control group] For that you'll have to go read the original article I suppose in Journal of the American Society of Nephrology.






Vendaval -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 2:02:36 PM)

Consider the source of your drinking water.  Is it from a reservoir, aquifer, well or a water pipeline?  Check with your local municipality or county's environmental health department.  They are requried to publish and make available to the public the results of water testing.
 
In my area one major source of concern is agriculture run off and erosion of the banks around creeks from cattle.  When the winter rains come the sewage system in communities near the beaches are effected and some of the sewage can spill out into the ocean.




pahunkboy -> RE: drinking water "myths" ???? (4/15/2008 2:15:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Your own source article answers most of your questions about the article.
Which scientists?  Dr Goldfarb likely noted this in his original work but it got skipped to prevent boredom when picked up for the AP News. Who? Dr Goldfarb From where? a kidney expert at the University of Pennsylvania The study financed by whom!? Usually papers written for scientific Jounals are written to get professional development credit for published works, the old adage being "Publish or Perish" so likely this article was written unfunded except by the professor's salaried time being used to research and write it.

How was the research conducted? [span of time, control group] For that you'll have to go read the original article I suppose in Journal of the American Society of Nephrology.





Thanks. 




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