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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 1:17:59 PM

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I think it's the other way around: WE TODAY in the BDSM world are incorporating the methods of torture and punishment that various cultures have used throughout history.

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i agree that it is fascinating to see how those time periods did in some way or another incorporate BDSM into their punishments.

Yes I agree, I think its that we have taken these punishments, sometimes we modernise them some people specialise in making toys that look authentic, such as the rack and that kind of thing.

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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 1:22:06 PM

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I am looking for as much information on this subject for my latest site www.medievalrestraints.com

would be gratefull for anyone who could provide me with information for the history pages that will be on the site

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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 1:23:54 PM

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Bedlam was formally called The Bethlehem Hospital for the Insane, then later became the site of The Northampton Institute, then the City Polytechnic, then The City University, London, where I did my degree, back a few decades ago .. the coincidence used to amuse me.

I like to incorporate all these customes into life at the Tawsingham adult historical role-play community that I create from time to time; though in a gender-neutral way, naturally in these times!

I have a puillory, set of stocks and whipping post to set up on the village green there, and authentic copy (aside from the C16 Posidrive screws used by the makers so I did not sell it as an antique) set of fingestocks, and friends have made a scolds bridle too.

The next outing for these will probably be the World Human-pony-play Championships I am organising June 20-23 in the central midlands UK ..

Many of the punishments were closely involved with religion; e.g. the jougs (wristcuffs) outside the church door for any caught not going to church, so everyone could jeer at them as they left, the repentance stool in the church where, eg an unwed mum-to-be had to sit in front of the congregation whilst the vicar would speak his sermon on the results of vice .. when sermons lasted hours, to the extent some took chamber-pots, churches were freezing and the girl would only be wearing a shift (long shirt-like undergarment) that could be pretty nasty ..

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Also for headaches, Insane people were also often chained up and in Bedlam 'middle class sane folks' paid to laugh at them, then it began to change when more understanding was developed about the nature of the mind, around the same time that punishment changed. Obviously now we see it as an illness not something to laugh at, but it does go hand in hand with the public nature of humilation.

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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 1:28:46 PM

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Bedlam was formally called The Bethlehem Hospital for the Insane, then later became the site of The Northampton Institute, then the City Polytechnic, then The City University, London, where I did my degree, back a few decades ago .. the coincidence used to amuse me.

Gotta correct you here Bedlam was never its official name, it was always Bethlem Royal Hospital, Bedlam was an insult for the hospital and a slang term hense the expression "its like bedlam in here" from when the middle class would observe. When people were released and wandered the streets they were refered to as Tom O Bedlam. it had three differant locations one is now Liverpool street station another which is now the imperial war museum. .

In relation to your point on religon its true they were linked, as were the excuses for crimes "the devil was in me" being a common emotive plea of innocence due to the nature of the time. This is why the benifit of clergy was important, very few people were executed on their first crimes due to having this to overturn the rulings and have them branded instead (which was none the less shameful in the extreme)

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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 1:47:46 PM

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Here's a simple introductory book on that topic that I have in my personal library:

"Rack, Rope, and Red-Hot Pincers: A History of Torture and Its Instruments" by Geoffrey Abbott.

i have this book myself and i have to say its a very good read. Fascinating subject

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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 4:07:39 PM

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Also of use to point out that those "punishments" rarely ever were good at created positive functional behaviors in the future. Mostly they just shamed and scared them into repression and used as an example to do the same to others.

Not that this prevents kinky people from doing the exact same thing with the exact same results- it's a lot easier to beat someone to get them to shut up rather than work out the core issue together and develop a working dynamic of improvement over time.

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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 5:36:33 PM

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Well, sure, but "creating positive functional behaviors for the future" wasn't part of anyone's vocabulary until maybe twenty years ago.

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Also of use to point out that those "punishments" rarely ever were good at created positive functional behaviors in the future. Mostly they just shamed and scared them into repression and used as an example to do the same to others.

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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 6:25:17 PM

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Well, sure, but "creating positive functional behaviors for the future" wasn't part of anyone's vocabulary until maybe twenty years ago.

LOL it was so much easier when repression and conformity was the only option :)

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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 7:43:34 PM

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I was amused as hell when this happened.

http://www.corpun.com/sgju9403.htm

We should be doing this to little punk-ass taggers here-at thier school assemblies.

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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 11:06:46 PM

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Facinating post, I know I've always been interested in the types of punishments used historically at sea- flogging and keelhauling, for example! Shame my history A'level wasnt this interesting- 16th century politics just didnt have the same interest!

Oddly enuff on pirate ships the crew not only voted on the capt. They had a say in who and how the offender was punished. Makes sense when you think about being on board with a bunch of cutthroats in the middle of the ocean. Anyways keelhauling is tieing a rope around a guy. Tossing him off the bow <front> pulling him in from the stearn <back>. Most couldn't hold their breath that long and drowned.

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RE: Punishment in history - 4/9/2008 11:08:36 PM

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And the barnacles on the hull would grind them to hamburger.

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