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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/3/2008 7:18:20 PM   
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Don't kid yourself.  People who practice bdsm aren't any more enlightened or special than vanillas. 

Yeah, everyone says that....But I have had my share of vanilla relationships and I can tell you that none of them were as special or as enlightened as my relationship with Michael... Although I long ago realized that I hit the jackpot with the first roll of the dice...


I've had the opposite experience.  Every lifestyler I've dated has been vastly more boring than the vanilla ones. 

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/3/2008 8:32:19 PM   
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Yeah, everyone says that....But I have had my share of vanilla relationships and I can tell you that none of them were as special or as enlightened as my relationship with Michael... Although I long ago realized that I hit the jackpot with the first roll of the dice...

LOL and for me it's the opposite.  I've had Ms relationships, but none of them were as special or enlightened as my vanilla relationship with my partner.

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/3/2008 8:35:48 PM   
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Don't kid yourself.  People who practice bdsm aren't any more enlightened or special than vanillas. 

Yeah, everyone says that....But I have had my share of vanilla relationships and I can tell you that none of them were as special or as enlightened as my relationship with Michael... Although I long ago realized that I hit the jackpot with the first roll of the dice...


You don't think that vanilla people don't make fabulous connections everyday?  Just because someone isn't into bdsm doesn't mean their lives are ho hum.

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/3/2008 8:39:31 PM   
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Don't kid yourself.  People who practice bdsm aren't any more enlightened or special than vanillas. 

Yeah, everyone says that....But I have had my share of vanilla relationships and I can tell you that none of them were as special or as enlightened as my relationship with Michael... Although I long ago realized that I hit the jackpot with the first roll of the dice...


You don't think that vanilla people don't make fabulous connections everyday?  Just because someone isn't into bdsm doesn't mean their lives are ho hum.

nope.  and they all dress funny too..
and they do things like "make sweet gentle love" to each other.. *shudders*

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/4/2008 3:15:18 PM   
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Don't kid yourself.  People who practice bdsm aren't any more enlightened or special than vanillas. 


Hello Aileen1968. . Ditto. RL.

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/4/2008 4:20:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Don't kid yourself.  People who practice bdsm aren't any more enlightened or special than vanillas. 

Yeah, everyone says that....But I have had my share of vanilla relationships and I can tell you that none of them were as special or as enlightened as my relationship with Michael... Although I long ago realized that I hit the jackpot with the first roll of the dice...


You don't think that vanilla people don't make fabulous connections everyday?  Just because someone isn't into bdsm doesn't mean their lives are ho hum.

nope.  and they all dress funny too..
and they do things like "make sweet gentle love" to each other.. *shudders*


Well lookie here we have a elitest on our hands.  mocking ppl cuz they can't spell kink.  Oh i must be better than you cuz I like to be spanked.  Yer attitude is uneducated.

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/4/2008 4:29:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Don't kid yourself.  People who practice bdsm aren't any more enlightened or special than vanillas. 

Yeah, everyone says that....But I have had my share of vanilla relationships and I can tell you that none of them were as special or as enlightened as my relationship with Michael... Although I long ago realized that I hit the jackpot with the first roll of the dice...


You don't think that vanilla people don't make fabulous connections everyday?  Just because someone isn't into bdsm doesn't mean their lives are ho hum.

nope.  and they all dress funny too..
and they do things like "make sweet gentle love" to each other.. *shudders*


Well lookie here we have a elitest on our hands.  mocking ppl cuz they can't spell kink.  Oh i must be better than you cuz I like to be spanked.  Yer attitude is uneducated.

BadOne

Mine?  Seriously?  and here I thought the "they dress funny" line was an obvious giveaway to the fact that I was 
J O K I N G...    

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/4/2008 4:34:34 PM   
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I agree, vanilla sex is the Barry Manilow of eroticism.

I prefer NIN.
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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/4/2008 9:02:17 PM   
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Regardless of what sort of sexual and/or intimate relationship someone chooses for themself, there is the potential for it to be the most meaningful, most satisfying, most uplifting experience ever.  There is also the potential for it to be a disappointing, hurtful, and disheartening experience.  A relationship that is based on BD/SM is no more or less likely to be wonderful (or miserable) than any other type of relationship. 
 
Finding out what sort of relationship is right for you and putting your passion and energy into it, rather than simply doing what someone else wants you to do and only giving it the minimum of effort and merely going through the motions, is, i believe, essential to getting the great, uplifting, rewards from your relationship.
 As is the case with most endeavors people pursue, we tend to get out of it what we put into it.  If we put energy and passion and wholehearted commitment into it then, there's a better chance of realizing a wonderful experience from it.  If we only put in the minimum of effort, there's a better chance of not getting much satisfaction, in return.  Of course, with an interpersonal relationship, there's more than one person who has to be making the effort.  One person can't make it great (or horrible) all by themself. For some people BD/SM is nothing more than an fun pastime or an occasional escape from the daily routine or an attempt to spice things up in the bedroom.  For other people, it is a lifestyle.  It's their way of life.  It is a reflection of their core values, interests, and activities.  For people who live and breathe this stuff, there is often a great deal of passion for it and they put that passion into it.  For them, just as for anyone who puts a lot of passion into what they do, they do feel a great deal of reward from it. In honor of the life and tragic death of Martin Luther King, Jr., the following is a quote of his:


If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well.
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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/4/2008 9:06:26 PM   
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While at face value, BDSM is viewed as something dark and perverted. But really, isint it a celebration of the strong bond formed between two or more people?


No more or less than sex is.

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/4/2008 9:16:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Don't kid yourself.  People who practice bdsm aren't any more enlightened or special than vanillas. 

Yeah, everyone says that....But I have had my share of vanilla relationships and I can tell you that none of them were as special or as enlightened as my relationship with Michael... Although I long ago realized that I hit the jackpot with the first roll of the dice...


You don't think that vanilla people don't make fabulous connections everyday?  Just because someone isn't into bdsm doesn't mean their lives are ho hum.


However people make their connections is just fine and dandy.

BDSM is a tool. Some people take the time to learn how to use it well.  Others dont' bother with it.  Some people need a backhoe to dig a hole, others use their fingers.  So long as the right sized hole in the right place is dug, all's hunky dorey.

People who delve into BDSM relationships have a greater expectation to learn how to use their tools.  They may have mentors and opportunities to learn hands on the tools of a healthy relationships.  Others may find that in their church group, co-workers, parents, or best friends.  It doesn't really matter where or how you learn those communication tools, so long as you do.  I'd say television is an incredibly horrible way to learn, that everyone has.

The ideals described by the opening poster are great for any relationship, vanilla or otherwise.  The opportunity I've had to learn those tools, in a BDSM context, is far above and beyond the opportunities I've ever had in the vanilla world.

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/4/2008 9:38:21 PM   
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While at face value, BDSM is viewed as something dark and perverted. But really, isint it a celebration of the strong bond formed between two or more people? The values that the Lifestyle teaches, things like communication, honesty, loyalty, disipline. Things that should be present in every relationships really. Though ive never seen a 'scene' in real life, i have seen pictures, and the expressions of the Dom and sub right after a flogging, they had expressions of utter happiness. Something like that. Truly accepting people for who they really are, to have nothing drowned in shadow, to have everything exposed and bathed in light. Isint that the true nature of BDSM? What do you think?



I think you are reaching.

Some people like to whip someone before they fuck them.  Some people don't.

It's really not any more complicated than that; imbuing either side with motives beyond what general humanity possesses, I believe, is foolish.  Now, to a point, I think there are certain aspects of BDSM that cater to certain personality types, but I'm not about to call them special, accepting, or utterly happy.

The bottom line, ultimately, is that most of these things are a matter of personal preference; I could take BDSM in your speech above, replace it with "looking at the ocean", change a bit of the wording, and the message would be the same.  And, in fact, some people really do enjoy looking out at the ocean.  I know a few surfers from my California days who claim it is nearly a spiritual experience for them.

To each their own; ultimately, any group is just a bunch of crazy, hairless apes.


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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/5/2008 1:05:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tatsuchan18

While at face value, BDSM is viewed as something dark and perverted. But really, isint it a celebration of the strong bond formed between two or more people? The values that the Lifestyle teaches, things like communication, honesty, loyalty, disipline. Things that should be present in every relationships really. Though ive never seen a 'scene' in real life, i have seen pictures, and the expressions of the Dom and sub right after a flogging, they had expressions of utter happiness. Something like that. Truly accepting people for who they really are, to have nothing drowned in shadow, to have everything exposed and bathed in light. Isint that the true nature of BDSM? What do you think?


I think you are full of BS.  BDSM is not a religion.  It's just something that some people enjoy.  Almost all the practitioners I have met are above average intelligence, but they aren't especially enlightened.  I have been around CM a while. From the message board and member journals, it seems a fair number of members have rather poor judgment, willing to undertake shocking risks hoping that someone will looooove them.

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/5/2008 2:48:03 AM   
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there is no lifestyle...just life itself..and what you do with it.

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/5/2008 2:56:00 AM   
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Truly accepting people for who they really are, to have nothing drowned in shadow, to have everything exposed and bathed in light. Isint that the true nature of BDSM? What do you think?

We could just be a bunch of fuckin perverts.......but I need to learn to speak only for myself


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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/5/2008 3:19:49 AM   
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The true nature of BDSM is that it's natural.

I naturally rule her, she naturally obeys. W/we fit.

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/5/2008 3:37:13 AM   
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The true nature of BDSM is that it's natural.

I naturally rule her, she naturally obeys. W/we fit.

I used to honour and obey and did that in two vanilla marriages. We fitted. but it wasn't enough. I am a masochist...I like the kick off and the fight......for me, being able to find a master who could handle THAT would be a dream..........controlling my body would be a small part of it......controlling my mind, well hell, yes, that's pretty easy too once I slip into that slave mindset....but CO-OPTING my almost total disregard for rules, regulations, limits and respect for society as a whole and the way it is now.....well that's a whole different ball game.
it's a nother thread I started to try and figure it out with a l'il help from my friends.



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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/5/2008 3:58:50 AM   
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My apologies for being simplistic. O/our relationship spans more than a decade and covers all bases, from her neediness that stems from an unhappy childhood, to her being an unrepentant painslut.

When I say W/we fit, what I mean is that I saw in her someting worth persevering in when I met her as a bratty teenager 11 years ago. I held her, kept her and now I own her.

Taming the girl's beast has been more fun that I can put into words. If taming is what you're after, princexx, all I can say is that when you find the right person, there won't be the false fit you found in marriage, but the proper, soul-fit of a collared posession.

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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/5/2008 6:48:16 AM   
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Tatsuchan18:  that look of absolute joy and contented hapiness that you see in those pictures, really do happen...they exist because they are truly feeling that emotion from their experience.  The general public's view is romanticized, vilified, and inaccurate on varied points.  The media  tantalizes us with glimpses of BDSM usually in detective and investigative episodes (CSI would be the only one that will give you 'furries" though).  And anytime there is something related in the news that hints at BDSM-related activity, then ears and eyes perk up at the "taboo" things that make the story that much more spicey!  What fun was it when you heard of someone like a certain well-known and repected sports anouncer who was caught cross-dressing and abusing a woman by from tying her up  and biting her on the back...oh my!
Sensationalized accounts in the media, including news that some perverted criminal couple was found with poor woman held in bondage in their home by authorities when it was discovered by a neighbor that someone was being kept there (who knows against her will or not...wouldn't be much of a story if she wanted to be there...) naked and helpless (calm down kids....)! 

We tend to raise these behaviors to a higher level, because we are generally good people, not criminals, and for the most part enlightened, educated, and open to share what we know.  Looking out for others in the lifestyle also happens, to make some sort of standarized conduct for us all safer, and with some sanity involved.  No shadows  here.  We defend when there is something incorrect in the general masses... Some are pretentious, egotistical, and over-bearing.  Some take themselves way too seriously.  For myself, I do not feel that BDSM should be related to negativity, but raised up to something beautiful.  Something that is what it is:  Sexual Freedom.  Freedom to express  your self and individuality as well as share with those like-minded people.  Kink is outside of the norm, but the norm is just what is held as the most popular belief.  The stigma of BDSM reflects that a lot of people hide it...hence the shadows and the misconceptions.  I assert that there are MORE kink out there than what the vanilla-world is letting on.  There's going to be higher population of reluctant kink out there that may even condemn BDSM outwardly and yet have a few fuzzy handcuffs and couple of spanks in them when they are behind closed doors.
But I for one, believe that we place a higher importance on sexual expression, and the lifestyle choices we make in our interactions with others.  So if we decide to show this as devotion to another or set of anothers in the form of power exchange, or whatever...then what matter should it make?  We are who we are, and that's what counts.  Those contented smiles and looks of pure joy are definitely real.  Hope you get to experience them as well one day!


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RE: The true nature of BDSM - 4/5/2008 6:53:10 AM   
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Don't kid yourself.  People who practice bdsm aren't any more enlightened or special than vanillas. 

 
Hmm..I feel more enlightened .
If for no other reason, because I am realizing something now that I only "felt" inside before. 
Expressing this, and having "a place" to express it has enlightened me a great deal...about myself .
 

 
 
 

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