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mistoferin -> Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 10:42:15 AM)

Please don't confuse what I am about to say with "victim blaming". That is not at all what I am doing. It seems like everywhere I turn lately someone is identifying as a victim. Yup it happens, at some point in our lives the likelihood that we will be a victim of something or someone is pretty damn high. What I find interesting though is that all too often people attach the victim label to themselves but rarely ever see their own responsibility of their victimization.

Now I can tell you that I've had more than my fair share of turns at being a victim myself. But looking backwards with brutal honesty, I have to also admit that I can not think of even one instance of my own victimization that I did not play some role in (car accidents and such excluded). Whether it was naivety, poor decision making or poor judgment, lack of applying common sense, not listening to my inner voice, placing myself in high risk situations, moving too fast or even Love is irrelevant. What is relevant is that I did have a degree of personal responsibility.

When I have looked back over it all honestly...and I mean VERY honestly...I had to accept the fact that I did have some degree of responsibility that I had to face...some thing that I did or didn't do that enabled my victimization. I had to face the fact that I had, in some however small way, VOLUNTEERED myself to be a victim. It was in the understanding and acceptance of that fact that I was able to learn the lessons that were provided and move forward.

At the age of 18 I was violently and brutally raped by two men....a stranger assault. I was very much their victim...and nearly killed. Now let me make it clear, I don't think that there is anything that I did that would lead me to accept the blame for the event...and I don't feel guilty in the slightest. There is nothing that I feel that I did that JUSTIFIED what was done to me. But there were things that I did that made it possible to occur and understanding, accepting and taking responsibility for those things is what allowed me to move forward.....lessons learned. It happened at night and I was hitch hiking. Despite being told over and over, as all of us have, that hitch hiking is an activity that carries a certain degree of risk, I chose to ignore those warnings and stick my thumb out. Now did that make what they did acceptable? Oh HELL NO! Actually, if I had been hitch hiking naked wearing a sign that said "Rape Me" it wouldn't have made me any less of a victim. But I did have to accept responsibility for my part, to forgive myself for my part, to learn the lesson that was there as a result of my part. By sticking my thumb out I volunteered to be their victim. I was not only a victim of their's, but I was also a victim of my own poor judgment.

I was the victim of domestic violence for far too long. One could say that the first time it occurred that I was a victim of him. If I look back at it really honestly though I have to say there were warning signs leading up to it that I ignored. But I, for many reasons, chose to discount or ignore them. We were living together for 8 (sober) years before he fell off the wagon and the first incident  happened and I was blown away by it. From that very moment forward though I can't in honesty say that I remained HIS victim. My continued very presence made it possible for his continued abuse. I was VOLUNTEERING to be his victim from that first day on. I became a victim of my own action/inaction. For many reasons I stayed..."but I love him"..."he needs me"..."I can't make it financially without him"..."it's not him, it's his disease (alcohol)", "but he's my MASTER and I am committed to being his SLAVE so I have to accept this"...etc., etc. Some of those reasons seemed very valid at the time. All of them were MY personal responsibility though. When that realization finally hit me it was a bitter pill to swallow...but once again I had to accept the responsibility for my part, forgive myself for my part...and once again to learn the lesson provided.

Those are just a couple of examples and I could go on but I think it gives you an idea of what I mean. We all are capable of being victims. No one is immune no matter how together you think you are, how self sufficient you think you are, how tough you think you are, etc. But when I really look at it I come to the realization that there are very few instances where we are victims without some degree of responsibility in our victimization.




Luciferica -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 10:51:20 AM)

To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction




mistoferin -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 10:55:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Luciferica
To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction


I don't know that I agree that it's equal, as a matter of fact I think it can be greatly disproportionate to the original action at times. But the point is that I don't believe we can be responsible for the actions and reactions of others....but we do have to accept the responsibility for our own.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 10:56:25 AM)

Pointing out WHY someone is a victim is NOT the same as saying the deserved or "asked" to be a victim.

It is like saying teaching a man to fish is starving him for a day, in the long run he is better off, same goes for victims.  Giving them sympathy is fine but if that is all they get, they will continue to need it again and again as they make the same mistake over and over.  Pointing out THEIR role in the process so that they can change their behavior and avoid the mistake in the future ensures they don't NEED more sympathy because the drama dies along with the bad behavior.




lally3 -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:03:49 AM)

i do know what youre saying, but no, not all the time can it be said that someone is responsible for what happens to them or can take culpability for it.

saying that a woman is asking to be raped because she was wearing a short skirt, was drunk, was hitching is something our law courts have thankfully moved away from.  it might just as easily have happened while you walking home from the shops, would you say then that you were asking for it.  rape is wrong, unjustifyable and rightly condemned by society.

domestic violence is another area of contention.  ive been on the recieving end of it, many have.  i can honestly say that in the begining i did nothing, absolutely nothing to provoke it.  i will never excuse that man for what he did by assuming some level of blame. nope, not going to happen.

doesnt make me a victim now, though it did at the time.  realising that i was a victim of abuse was what got me out of there.  had i thought it was in some way my fault i would have been excusing his behaviour and it might have taken me longer to leave.

kids are not responsible for the abuse they receive, thats a given, we all understand that one, so why should it be any different when we are adults.  taking responsibility for abuse dished out by an abuser is actually much more like taking the victim role.

'i deserve it', 'this is my fault'... you didnt, it wasnt.




Aileen1968 -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:04:16 AM)

People who find themselves in abusive situations (not talking stranger rape) most likely will see red flags if they look back on the whole situation.  I find it difficult to think otherwise and to think that there's this rash of Jekyll and Hyde type of people out there who are so good at deception that it's as rampant as it may seem.
It requires honesty, though, and an ability to recognize and accept flaws within oneself.




mistoferin -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:05:50 AM)

Judging by your response I would have to say that you seem to have totally misunderstood my post.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:11:43 AM)

Those who cannot learn from their prior victimization are doomed to repeat it.
I was a victim once. ONLY once. I was too young to realize what I was putting myself through, but I did learn quickly once I was out of the situation not to get back into one similiar.
Everyone falls into the trap every now and again. We are only human. I have a lot of sympathy for those who go into a first time situation and come out of it hurt.
I have far less sympathy for those who go into the same situations over and over again with the "This time it will be different" approach. You see the same flags again, but ignore them again since this time it cant possibly turn wrong.
I find it impossible to have sympathy for people likw that, when they put themselves in harms way again and again and then get out of it and come looking for someone to tell them it sOK, just to jump right back intothe same fire.

DV




LilMissHaven -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:14:41 AM)

Whether fe/male, child or adult.

Nobody asks to be a victim.  It was a choice robbed from ourselves.  We however do choose whether or not to move past the experiance and learn from it or we choose to make a cycle of it.

For instance, one poster mentioned domestic violence and how she'll never forgive nor accept responsibility for what happened to her...GOOD FOR YOU!!! DAMN STRAIGHT!!!  She learned from her experiance and has very little chance of it ever happening to her again.

Now there are some victims of domestic violence who keep repeating the cycle of violence by going from one abusive man to another.

Is that what your trying to say?  Take responsibility for what you learn from an experiance and use that knowledge to keep it from happening again?

Sorry, I'm just trying to get a grasp on what your saying.




gypsygrl -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:16:18 AM)

Hense the line in your sig, I guess.  I noticed it when I first started reading the forums and it made a profound impression on me.  I don't think a day goes when it doesn't run through my  mind.  There's nothing more liberating than taking responsibility.

Thank you.




angelbluewingsz -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:17:15 AM)

mistoferin- all I can say is hindsight is 20/20. even though I agree we do play a role in our own victimization most of the time, ultimatly it boils down to, you live learn and grow from these situations. If you were not able to recognize them before the fact it just goes to show that it was a lesson you did in fact need to learn and hopefully will never forget it. There is no room for regrets in life. If these things do not occur, you and I would not be the wise people we are today. I would not ask for any of it to be taken back. I must say that my own stupid belief time after time that all things are good and everyone would choose a better path if given a hand up has led me to be abused in MANY ways. violently, and yet, i CHOOSE to become a victim of this same cycle again to prove to myself that I will not let other persons actions change who I am at the core of my being. They can choose to hurt me, but only I can choose to heal.




mzbehavin -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:23:25 AM)

I understand what your saying, and agree.
I believe we are responsible for our choices. The good, the bad and the ugly~




Sirsinini -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:24:20 AM)

Some choose to not take responsibility because they are only familiar with the victim tapes that play over and over.  It is much easier to live with the familiar than to step outside and feel uncomfortable.
Did not someone say this somewhere within the last month on the boards?
 
Some people find themselves the victim no matter what happens to them, good, positive or bad or negative because it is comfortable to them and they dont need take respsonsibility.
 
Well I guess I just repeated myself.........
 
Sir's devoted property




LilMissHaven -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:25:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelbluewingsz

only I can choose to heal.


I absolutely love it!!!  Do you mind if I use it as the closing line in my psych paper?




akisha -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:31:26 AM)

Totally agree erin.

When victimize we must look back and see what is it that we could have done or should have done differently. Sitting and crying poor poor me is counter productive. Figure out how better to protect yourself, learn and move on with life. People need to recognize the signs of potentially abusive or dangerous areas.

No lally, people do not "ask" to be raped" because they were wearing a short skirt. That is ridiculous. But by being out alone in the middle of the night, whether in a short shirt and a tube top or in a gunny sack, by being in a potentially dangerous set of circumstances they are upping the potential risk of coming to harm.

Example. just under 3 years ago i was molested in my own home while my daughter was there. Did i come runnning to the boards saying all Doms are fakes and abusers and bad? Hell no.

I screwed up. I had been talking to a man from on here for about a month, he seemed nice enough, I agreed to meet him for coffee while he was going to be driving thru town on his way home. He called, was running late and would not be in town until after lilbit was going to be in bed. I could not find a sitter so figured,"Whats the harm?" i invited him to the house. Yes, yes, I know. SUPER DUMB!!!  Guess what. never did it again though. Major lesson learned, never did it again.  I can name 10 things with out thinking hard that I did wrong that lead up to being a victum. Not one of my finer moments.

There are a million different senarios of abuse, attack, rape etc. and no you can not safeguard yourself from everything. But there are definate ways you can help make yourself a little bit safer. The first is to take responisbility for the decisions you make, and realize that some of them will put you in a higher risk situation. Only you can decide if the risk is worth it.

Hell just dating is a risk lol [:D] 

I prefer to live my life then hide from it. I just try to be more thoughtful about what i'm doing, where i am and who I'm with.






junecleaver -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:31:34 AM)

I so agree with you.  Taking responsibility for your part is a vital in moving on and protecting yourself from future incidents.




angelbluewingsz -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:33:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LilMissHaven

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelbluewingsz

only I can choose to heal.


I absolutely love it!!!  Do you mind if I use it as the closing line in my psych paper?


Use away LilMiss




Aileen1968 -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:34:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LilMissHaven
For instance, one poster mentioned domestic violence and how she'll never forgive nor accept responsibility for what happened to her...GOOD FOR YOU!!! DAMN STRAIGHT!!!  She learned from her experiance and has very little chance of it ever happening to her again.


As soon as someone makes the decision to NOT walk out the door after being abused, then they do take some responsibility for any future abuse.  Keep in mind that I'm not saying it's justified that another would harm anyone for any reason, but when someone steps over your line and you remain, then you have to take some responsibility for yourself and your mind and body.  You've just made a choice.




lateralist1 -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:36:59 AM)

I agree we have to take responsibility for our own actions BUT if we never put ourselves at risk then we wouldn't do anything.
It should be safe to hitch hike without being raped.
Perhaps it won't ever be again but that doesn't change the fact that it should be.
So why isn't it?
The problem is far more serious than anything that people can do to protect themselves.
Until the people in the world who wield the real power decide to do some power exchanging of their own most of us will get more and more angry.
Send them off to war to get rid of them or lock them up and throw away the key will not stop the revolution forever.
Nonconsensual sex is about power and control. When people lack control in their lives they find someone who they can control by force. 





mistoferin -> RE: Personal responsibility and being a victim (3/31/2008 11:37:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

Hense the line in your sig, I guess.  I noticed it when I first started reading the forums and it made a profound impression on me.  I don't think a day goes when it doesn't run through my  mind.  There's nothing more liberating than taking responsibility.

Thank you.


Yes it does have the meaning that has become clear here. It also carries a second meaning for me that I thought was fitting regarding BDSM. So many on the outside view us as victims that I wanted to make it clear that I am here by choice. I am glad that you found meaning in it.




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