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domahpet -> Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 7:50:18 AM)

Disclaimer: just in case anyone wants to go off because the man has a latin sounding name-
its a laborer related holiday.
 
César Chávez Day is a state holiday in California observed on March 31st, in remembrance of Cesar Chavez's birthday, or the appropriate Monday or Friday nearest that date. The state holiday is intended to promote service to the community in honor of Chavez's life and work. All state government offices, community colleges, and libraries are closed, except for K-12 schools. Governor Scharzenegger suspended observance of the holiday in 2004 and 2005 to save money during the aftermath of the power crisis. Chavez Day is currently a holiday in eight states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Michigan, New Mexico, Texas, Utah, and Wisconsin.

some background on the man himself:
César Estrada Chávez (3/31/27-4/23/93) was an American farm worker born in Yuma Arizona, of Mexican descent, labor leader, and civil rights activist who with Dolores Huerta co-founded the National Farm Workers Assocoation which later became the United Farm Workers. Supporters say his work led to numerous improvements for union laborers. He is considered a hero for farm laborers, and opposed both legal and illegal immigration to help keep wages higher and improve work safety rules. He is hailed as one of the greatest American civil rights leaders. His birthday has become a holiday in eight states Many parks, cultural centers, libraries, schools, and streets have been named in his honor in cities across the United States.

so, if you if you live in one of these states or have a job, happy Cesar Chavez Day!




kittinSol -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 7:53:00 AM)

In the light of the other threads, I say, nice timing [:)] . I didn't know about him, and now I do - thank you.




domahpet -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 8:11:36 AM)

i didnt time it, its the mans birthday :)
not to you kittin-
as for the pm's, i dont want them.
its a freakin holiday, celebrate it or dont.
Sheesh.




kittinSol -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 8:14:01 AM)

???




MissHarlet -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 8:15:57 AM)

Wow Im a texan .. even tho I now live in NM .. and I didnt know this was a holiday ..... Im feeling ignorant now




domahpet -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 8:28:11 AM)

yea, i guess my calander was printed somewhere else,
because it isnt even on it! go figure!




MissHarlet -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 8:34:04 AM)

It constantly amazes me what I dont know the older I get .... and saddens me too ...




domahpet -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 8:36:11 AM)

((((Miss Harlet))))
youre still kickin', theres still time to learn!




cjan -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 9:07:34 AM)

I will have a wedge salad in his honor with supper tonight. Thanks for noting it, OP.




domahpet -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 9:09:57 AM)

gonna share the recipie cjan?




cjan -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 10:06:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domahpet

gonna share the recipie cjan?


Easy as pie, darlin'. It's as old as dirt too. Ya just quarter a head of iceberg lettuce ( not my fav, but wtf, in honor of Caesar), leave it as it is, hence the "wedge" and ladle on a good bleu cheese dressing. Top with crunchy bits of your choice, bacon bits, crunchy seeds of your choice, etc.. Simple, but hits the spot sometimes.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/popcorn.gif[/image]




domahpet -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 10:20:49 AM)

ack! Blue cheese!
thanks anyway lol :)-




MissHarlet -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 10:22:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domahpet

((((Miss Harlet))))
youre still kickin', theres still time to learn!


And lol Im not old yet .. for that is 5 years older than I am on any given day <EG>




domahpet -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 10:36:27 AM)

lol- heard that!
you go girl!!!!




DesFIP -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 12:54:20 PM)

He was a true American hero, tireless in his protection of migrant workers. We don't celebrate this in NY but his work changed attitudes and laws here also. Prior to him, children of migrants couldn't get admitted to schools, these days we have schools that specialize in these kids with their special needs. It ought to be a national holiday.




Vendaval -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 12:55:05 PM)

Thank you for the reminder, domahpet.  I have great admiration for the man and his achievements for civil rights.  [:)]




Mercnbeth -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 1:38:19 PM)

~ Fast Reply ~
 
Were it not for Cesar Chavez, there would be less exploited illegal workers in California toiling for the betterment of the Corporate Farms. I think we should all be grateful and give thanks to Casar providing us with cheap wine, grapes, and of course lettuce.

WARNING: Only those able to read a different perspective should continue. 

The impact of Casar Chavez on the state of farm workers today...

quote:

Despite the hosannahs of the nation's liberals, and the coercion supplied by the state of California, Cesar Chavez's entire life turned out to be a floperoo. Whereas he dreamed of his UFW organizing all of the nation's migrant farm workers, his union fell like a stone from a membership of 70,000 in the mid- 1970s to only 5,000 today. In the UFW heartland, the Salinas Valley of California, the number of union contracts among vegetable growers has plummeted from 35 to only one at the present time. Only half of the meager union revenues now come from dues, the other half being supplied by nostalgic liberals. The UFW has had it.
 
What went wrong? Some of Chavez's critics point to his love of personal power, which led to his purging a succession of  organizers, and to kicking all savvy non-Hispanic officials out of his union.
 
But the real problem is "the economy, stupid." In the long run, economics triumphs over symbolism, hoopla, and radical chic. Unions are only successful in a market economy where the union can control the supply of labor: that is, when workers are few in number, and highly skilled, so that they are not easily replaceable. Migrant farm workers, on the contrary, and almost by definition, are in abundant, ever-increasing, ever-moving, and therefore "uncontrollable" supply. And with their low skills and abundant numbers, they can be easily replaced.
 
The low wage of migrant farm workers is not a sign that they are "exploited" (whatever that term may mean), but precisely that they are low-skilled and easily replaceable. And anyone who is inclined to weep about their "exploitation" should ask himself why in the world these workers emigrate seasonally from Mexico to the United States to take these jobs. The answer is that it's all relative: what are "low wages" and miserable living conditions for Americans, are high wages and palatial conditions for Mexicans--or, rather, for those unskilled Mexicans who choose to make the trek each season.
 
In fact, it's a darned good thing for these migrant workers that their beloved union turned out to be a failure. For "success" of the union, imposed by the boycott and the coercion of the California legislature, would only have raised wage rates or improved conditions at the expense of massive unemployment of these workers, and forcing them to remain, in far more miserable conditions, in Mexico. Fortunately, not even that coercion could violate economic realities.
 
As the pseudonymous free-market economist "Angus Black" admonished liberals at the time of the grape boycott: if you really want to improve the lot of grape workers, don't boycott grapes; on the contrary, eat as many grapes as you can stand, and tell your friends to do the same. This will raise the consumer demand for grapes, and increase both the employment and the wages of grape workers.


But this lesson, of course, never sunk in. It was and still is easier for liberals to enjoy a pseudo-religious "sense of belonging" to a movement, and to "feel good about themselves" by getting a vicarious thrill of sanctification by not eating grapes, than actually to learn about economic realities and what will really help the supposed objects of their concern.

The real legacy of Cesar Chavez is negative: forget the charisma and the hype and learn some economics.

 
Source: http://www.mises.org/econsense/ch38.asp 




christine1 -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 3:12:56 PM)

interesting Domah...i live in UT and i've never heard of this day, it isn't on any of my calenders either...thanks for the info.  hugs.




thompsonx -> RE: Happy Cesar Cahvez Day (if it applies to you) (3/31/2008 5:03:33 PM)

Mercnbeth:
Your post says one thing but proves just the opposite.
What destroyed the UFW is the illegal who the growers hire instead of the UFW.
The article's contention that these people are unskilled and easily replaceable is disingenuous at best.  If you have ever harvested for a living you would know that there is a skill to it...no different than the skill needed to be a plumber or a mechanic. 
But it makes good pulp to denigrate someone like Chavez.
Stop the flow of illegals and the UFW will prosper again.
thompson




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