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RE: Does knifeplay involve real cutting? - 3/23/2008 7:56:34 AM

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Knife play usually does involve come sort of cutting when I do it. It can be very light cutting. Sometimes I use a straight razor. Some folks note a distinction between knife play simply for the sensation effect and knife play where actual cutting ensues - some do not. You'll likely not find a consensus here.

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RE: Does knifeplay involve real cutting? - 3/23/2008 7:58:45 AM

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I want to add to some already good comments that you have recieved from this thread. Specifically, I want to raise the issue of risk and intent. It's clear from you description of Knifeplay the intent is as you say

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I thought that knifeplay was when you don't actually cut the bottom, but rather get it into their heads that they are being cut (more psychologically, like showing them the knife, cutting through something with it to prove its sharpness, then blindfolding them and running the dull edge over them). More of a fear play thing than pain play.

Even though this is your intent, it fails to recognize the risk that is inherent with knifeplay. This is the risk of being cut. It is foolhardy and even reckless to consider that one can do knifeplay without a risk of blood occurring. We can obviously minimize that risk to a great degree by the technique we use. Everything from not touching the person with the knife to using and exceptionally dull blade. But the risk of slipping, tripping is always there and even a dull knife can cut with enough force.

With cutting their is the Intent to cut. However, with knifeplay a person can have an intent to cut as well. When we cut, with a scalpel, knife or other sharp tool, we open up a completely new realm of risks that a person needs to become aware of.

As others have suggested, it is important to clarify what it is meant by knife play. I suggest that he discussion of any play should be more than a description of what you might or will do. But also what is your intent in the play and always have a discussion of risk that is associated with the play. Lastly, please avoid getting into a locked mindset. Just because you have had the discussion doesn't mean things don't change in the future. Always be open and encourage discussions of play with your partners. As we expand our interests... it is not uncommon for our intent and risks to change even with the same toys/tools that we currently use.

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RE: Does knifeplay involve real cutting? - 3/23/2008 8:01:33 AM

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One of the things my Domme trainer taught me was knife play. One of the things I won't do to my slave is knife play. You can use it in various forms.
She cut my slave with my permission. I had also instructed her in no blood period.
Thus the departure began.

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RE: Does knifeplay involve real cutting? - 3/23/2008 8:02:31 AM

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I very rarely break the skin,ITS the feel of cold steel and the sharp edge that does it for many...I have cut my name on a few that was marked as mine...

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RE: Does knifeplay involve real cutting? - 3/23/2008 11:18:22 AM

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Just my opinion ....

For me the mindblowing part of knife play ...wont be mind blowing unless I know the person can and will cut me... perhaps not in that moment, perhaps not a serious blood letting cut, perhaps something more light and sensual... but if I believe they wont cut me, it's just being cute with knives. I *NEED* the fear of actual cutting (knowing it has happened before and will happen again) to get into the head space of "Oh my fucking god ... is he doing it is he?...Oh FUCK FUCK FUCK.,,, is that blood?.. fuck what was that ...oh shit here it comes" ... my head is only going to get there if I *KNOW* He will cut me. Once i know that...he could come at me with a butter knife for the next ten years ...and my head would always spin back to the time and place where it was a scapel ...and I was made to bleed for him.

but then...thats just me.

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RE: Does knifeplay involve real cutting? - 3/23/2008 2:01:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
Even though this is your intent, it fails to recognize the risk that is inherent with knifeplay. This is the risk of being cut. It is foolhardy and even reckless to consider that one can do knifeplay without a risk of blood occurring. We can obviously minimize that risk to a great degree by the technique we use. Everything from not touching the person with the knife to using and exceptionally dull blade. But the risk of slipping, tripping is always there and even a dull knife can cut with enough force.

Glad this was pointed out, as it was recently said that using a plastic fork is equivalent to using a bowie knife if there is no intention of cutting. I found that rather odd and wondered if that was just my own weirdness which made it seem odd to me.

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RE: Does knifeplay involve real cutting? - 3/23/2008 8:27:16 PM

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Knife play and cutting was different things. This have an lot written bevor full correct. But it was much more. In the knife play it can be that you will be cutted, but the real question was not will it be or not. The question of this how much can you trust? No good owner will scares his slave without reason. This looks not good and dont feel good after an while. For cuthings in short form you take extrem sharp knifes, and slaves should see it. Should see the blood, feel the burning if the iron goes thrue the skin. In the knife playing it was the best the slave was blind, dont know where the coold steel will hit ths skin. Gives joy or pain. Helpless was the slave only possible to get all information over the skinn and the skinn learn to feel so much more to feel like bevore. How far you can open yourself for the owner? With an knife in his hand he can take everytimes your life. He can damaged every part of you. How deep you trust? He can cut the the badest words in an fighting knife that you will take all times this scars. How fear you the darkness? This was one of the games you give him all the control. And if you do this and he knows what he does you can learn an lot. Cutting was different. You know he will cut you. You see it and perhaps you was boundet moste time not bundet only to the word. Can you follow this? It was against the nature to know that the body was injured and dont go away. The right knife dont makes scars other makes scares. To sign you. To show the world what you was ready to do for him. Was you able to wear the sign proude? And this also in 20 years? Scars holds longer than an ring on your finger. And was you ready to give him your life and your blood from free will.
This both was differnt things. From the questions behind, form the tools, from the doing and knowledge. Look in his eyes and there should you find your answer. Good trained slaves learn to read in the eyes and in the body of her owners. She kows better what he want and earlyer than he self. She was more intend than all other peoples. And if there was no other way, trust him and give him yourself and he should do what ever he means that was right. Fear was an part of the life, but the only what you have to fear was the fear self.
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RE: Does knifeplay involve real cutting? - 3/23/2008 8:33:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: softness

Just my opinion ....

For me the mindblowing part of knife play ...wont be mind blowing unless I know the person can and will cut me... perhaps not in that moment, perhaps not a serious blood letting cut, perhaps something more light and sensual... but if I believe they wont cut me, it's just being cute with knives. I *NEED* the fear of actual cutting (knowing it has happened before and will happen again) to get into the head space of "Oh my fucking god ... is he doing it is he?...Oh FUCK FUCK FUCK.,,, is that blood?.. fuck what was that ...oh shit here it comes" ... my head is only going to get there if I *KNOW* He will cut me. Once i know that...he could come at me with a butter knife for the next ten years ...and my head would always spin back to the time and place where it was a scapel ...and I was made to bleed for him.

What she said.

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