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RE: Obama passport breach. - 3/21/2008 9:46:33 AM

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ah but Kittin, the subcontractors are controlled by the policies to which they are required to agree as part of the tendering process for the contract.... so all is well, all is well, all is well (come on now, say it with me) all is well....

I can't, LadyE. I must not be submissive enough

. Those subcontractors have fucked up my life...

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RE: Obama passport breach. - 3/21/2008 9:52:01 AM

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its the same everywhere and in every field Kittin. Outsourcing is about getting the lowest cost, with the idea being that if a policy is required to be adhered to, quality will not suffer. Problem being that in many fields it is employment costs which make up the bulk of the costs, so to get the contract one has to recruit those with no bargaining power in terms of wages, to produce the lowest quote for the tender, and those who have no bargaining power over their wages in the west are not likely to be the sorts of people one would like to have involved in certain fields, and not the sorts of people who are apt to follow the required policy. For example our recent embarassments with illegal immigrants working within and guarding several government departments.

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RE: Obama passport breach. - 3/21/2008 9:55:12 AM

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Yes... I remember quangos. It's ironic that the most capitalistic of societies have made a huge lucrative business out of something they used to shun socialist countries for.

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RE: Obama passport breach. - 3/21/2008 1:59:00 PM

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Nobody should have their information peeked at by curious bastards, whatever their motives. Period.

The government, for the sake of cheapness, has contracted out much of its extremely heavy bureaucracy to outside agencies who aren't as competent as they should be, to say the least, and who hire badly trained staff. That's a problem.

So let's have more government involvement in healthcare, education, etc. Bit of a contradiction there.

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RE: Obama passport breach. - 3/21/2008 3:31:07 PM

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If these are, say IT subcontractors, then they're pulling in 80 - 120k/year. I can understand on some levels why a Bank, say, doesn't want to have a lot of Application Developers on staff. They hire them in, just like the coffee service.

I *can't* understand why the State Department would want to subcontract out... Well, I understand the "By Spending Money, We Prove Ourselves Worthy Of Our Jobs" mentality of Gov't Employees, and I understand how Companies see the Gov't as a huge teat to suckle on... ( Look at the way GE & Westinghouse have managed to take money our of your treasury? **AND** the Gov't is trying to get AT&T out of cutting YOU a $100.000 check!

But from a "Security" POV? Of course, they would have signed, even subcontractors, Contractual Obligations ( if not Legal Obligations...

On reflection, if the US Attorneys weren't all Crazy Religious Fanatics more worried about Eliot Spitzers hookers than what we would all consider "Real" crimes....

Think about it... If THE 3 PEOPLE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT aren't safe from being Unlawfully Spied on, how can any of us pretend to have *ANY* of what were once considered "Constitutional Protections"...

We Are Property Of The US Gov't. Get used to being a Gov't Slave, I guess....

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RE: Obama passport breach. - 3/21/2008 3:42:12 PM

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Fargy - I agree with you. I find the privatisation of government services wrong. It's a government service; the government should provide the service.

When you buy a brand name, you expect to have the brand name, right

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I mean, duh?! We've been had.

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RE: Obama passport breach. - 3/21/2008 4:37:13 PM

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Here's the thing: If the top three presidential candidates can't keep their personal information private... what chance do any of US have of doing so?

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RE: Obama passport breach. - 3/21/2008 4:58:59 PM

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Tell me about it.

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RE: Obama passport breach. - 3/21/2008 5:33:59 PM

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Now our candidates need to have their past kept secret eh? The government is behind PROTECTING their personal secrets too eh? To bad we were not smart enough to find out that monkey boys gdaddy was a freaking nazi before we put him in. How abnout mcain? Why was his nickname "the songbird"? How about the clintons with their little drug cartel?

The real question is how does america continually find people from the bottom of the gene pool?

Why do we accept this secrecy in government?

When will we wise up and vote our conscience instead of voting party lines?

Well said!

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