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RealityLicks -> Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 11:16:17 AM)

Martina Navratilova has retaken Czech nationality in protest at the politics of George W Bush.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/11/wtennis111.xml

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The 51-year-old tennis player had previously said she feels ashamed of the US under the presidency of George W Bush.

"We elected Bush. That is worse! Against that, nobody chose a communist government in Czechoslovakia," she told a Czech newspaper last year.

Born in Prague, Ms Navratilova fled to the United States in 1975 at the height of the Cold War, angering communist authorities who then stripped her of her nationality. Six years later, she became an American citizen.



MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 11:52:17 AM)

Whatever.




RealityLicks -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 12:45:56 PM)

Who authorised you to respond to this post?  What do you think you're doing, man?



servantforuse -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 12:48:47 PM)

She should take Jane Fonda and a few others I could name with her. Maybe they could film 'The View' from there for starters..



RealityLicks -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 12:58:33 PM)

This thread is a piece of Situationist art, aimed at exploring images of nationhood and self-image.  Please refrain from comment.  Thank you.




sweetwenchie -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:00:06 PM)

Does not appear to be working that way RL ;-)   Unless of course you find a way to steal everyone's keyboards away...



RealityLicks -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:03:54 PM)

Back to the drawing board. 



ownedgirlie -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:21:31 PM)

She chose to wait until the end of his term for that?  Being as she fled to this country to escape the trappings of her own and become a gazillionaire star, I suggest we don't let her back in when she changes her mind.

And what happened to all the Hollywood'ites who promised to leave this country if GWB was elected?  Were they too comfortable in their own luxuries to do so.  Funny how money motivates over principle.   Alec Baldwin (who later flip-flopped about having said that), Robert Altman, Pierre Salinger, Barbara Streisand, Eddie Vedder, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Whoopi Goldberg, Ed Asner, Martin Sheen (unconfirmed), Sean Penn... (reportedly, Salinger was the only one who made good on his promise).

Johnny Depp lives in France, making great US dollar while not only criticizing the politics of this country, but calling our citizenry "idiots". 



kittinSol -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:23:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

This thread is a piece of Situationist art, aimed at exploring images of nationhood and self-image.  Please refrain from comment.  Thank you.



[:D]



popeye1250 -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:30:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Martina Navratilova has retaken Czech nationality in protest at the politics of George W Bush.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/11/wtennis111.xml

quote:


The 51-year-old tennis player had previously said she feels ashamed of the US under the presidency of George W Bush.

"We elected Bush. That is worse! Against that, nobody chose a communist government in Czechoslovakia," she told a Czech newspaper last year.

Born in Prague, Ms Navratilova fled to the United States in 1975 at the height of the Cold War, angering communist authorities who then stripped her of her nationality. Six years later, she became an American citizen.



Wow! Such gratitude for everything this country has given her and just because she can play "tennis."
Hopefully she'll really "protest" and renounce her U.S. citizenship and not be able to get back into the country.



MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:33:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

This thread is a piece of Situationist art, aimed at exploring images of nationhood and self-image.  Please refrain from comment.  Thank you.




Very well, I shall refrain from comment personally.  But I will post the best comment yet from another site:

"Apparently the carpet is greener on the other side."

(Okay, stop groaning)



kittinSol -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:33:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Wow! Such gratitude for everything this country has given her and just because she can play "tennis."
Hopefully she'll really "protest" and renounce her U.S. citizenship and not be able to get back into the country.



But popeye... she's exercising her right to free speech, a right you defend virulently...



mnottertail -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:42:26 PM)

it should be pointed out that germany, vietnam, korea, canada, england, mexico and several others were 'former enemy states'.

and so?



Jeffff -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:46:54 PM)

 It should also be pointed out, she is a lesbian. She is returning to a former eastern block country. That leaves just one conclusion.
She, is a Terroristic gay

Jeff



popeye1250 -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:48:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Wow! Such gratitude for everything this country has given her and just because she can play "tennis."
Hopefully she'll really "protest" and renounce her U.S. citizenship and not be able to get back into the country.



But popeye... she's exercising her right to free speech, a right you defend virulently...


Kittensol, I'm not against her excercising that right at all.
But as a "naturalised" U.S. citizen she could lose her U.S. citizenship for doing such a thing as "defecting" or taking on another country's citizenship.



kittinSol -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:55:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Kittensol, I'm not against her excercising that right at all.
But as a "naturalised" U.S. citizen she could lose her U.S. citizenship for doing such a thing as "defecting" or taking on another country's citizenship.



Thankfully, popeye, the law doesn't make separate provisions for naturalised US citizens. Thankfully, freedom of speech isn't a special right only attributed to "real americans".

Otherwise, it's not freedom of speech at all, if there are negative consequences for thought crime. I mean... think about it! You defend the right of the KKK to spew venom and racist hatred, because they're US born... but not the right of Navratilova to express her disapproval of Bush?



pahunkboy -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 1:57:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

It should also be pointed out, she is a lesbian. She is returning to a former eastern block country. That leaves just one conclusion.
She, is a Terroristic gay

Jeff


LMAO!!!   --defecting is extreem.  I would not.  I love this country.   TRue, I hate bush neocon policy.  ; but leaving is not the solution.   America is her people, not just the prez.



popeye1250 -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 2:01:44 PM)

Kittensol, you're putting words in my mouth.
I support the right of all "hate groups" to speak so that The People can see what they're all about. They'll be doomed by their message that way.
Their enemy is the light of day.
As for Martravola or however it's spelled she has the right to voice her opinions.
But if she defects as a naturalised U.S. citizen she can end up losing her U.S. citizenship.

I have a better idea, let's make Bush leave.



kittinSol -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 2:13:55 PM)

The Berlin Wall fell down in '89, and I don't think there were many cases of "defection" from this side of the world to the East. It's an interesting phenomenon that the shift has made this situation possible.

As for stripping her of her nationality... It's not a provision that's in the law if somebody moves away from this country and takes another nationality.

quote:



(...) in a 1980 case, Vance v. Terrazas, “a unanimous court held that citizenship could be lost only if the person committed an expatriating act with the specific intent of surrendering his U.S. nationality (...).



That's not what Martina's done. From what I understand, she took Czech nationality again. She didn't surrender her american citizenship.

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“We should be able to recognize, in the 21st century, that national allegiance is not all-consuming, that patriotic commitment can coexist with loyalty and devotion to other groups and institutions. . . . [said Law professor David A. Martin].

Therefore we should drop the language requiring renunciation of other nationalities, although it remains a sound idea to include a non-exclusive oath of allegiance as part of our naturalization ceremonies.

Nation-states will remain the world’s essential governance units for decades to come, he said. But nationalist loyalty “can foster blind and unthinking obedience. It can descend to chauvinism. But a more measured loyalty, built on a genuine and enduring sense of commitment, is crucial in making democracy work.



http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/news/2004_fall/martin.htm



popeye1250 -> RE: Celebrity defects to former enemy state (3/11/2008 2:39:19 PM)

Kittinsol, the operative word is "defect."

What's all that other stuff by the law proffessor?
"We should..." "We should....."
We should? What does that mean and how is it germaine to this thread?



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