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Vendaval -> RE: Sexual Preference Intolerance (3/10/2008 7:42:57 PM)

I am a Pagan, Bisexual, Poly, Female Dominant.
Do I face bigotry and intolerance frequently?
Absolutely.
 
Do other people react strongly towards me; with fear, anger, confusion or admiration?
Yes
 
Does what they think matter?
No
 
Be true to yourself and your path.  
Keep on living and dreaming and growing and being...you!




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Sexual Preference Intolerance (3/10/2008 7:56:45 PM)

Sounds like the person was honest, knew their limits, and left. That is not intolerance, it is just know what you like and don't like. The person does not know you personally, so don't take it personal. If you do not like people that are turned off by gay or bi people, then they saved you time by not getting to know them. Life goes on, and you shouldn't worry about it. Let people feel how they feel, it is when they use emotions to actually do an action that is detrimental, that it is a problem.


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ORIGINAL: summerblossom

I just wanted to know if this has happened to anyone because this was the first time it  happened to me. For those that are gay or bisexual....

I have this group I go to for depression. I know everyone in the group pretty well and they know me. They know im generally open about the fact that I'm bisexual and that I prefer women at times. They are all okay with it. We had a new member in our group today. This girl came in and was really nice at first. Everyone took their time talking and when it came my turn I mentioned in a certain subject about liking girls for relationships....I am not the 'shout it to the world type' but I don't like to hide that fact either.

I'm pretty new on being open about my feelings on the subject so when this girl immediatly stood up and said she had to go I asked if she felt uncomfortable and she said yes and left. I felt very uncomfortable after that and offended. I'm feeling pretty bad about it now. I've never had anyone react to me in that way when discussing my dating preferences. Now I'm starting to worry if maybe I should start keeping those things hidden completely. I have enough to deal with in my life, I don't need to deal with gay/les intolerance too.

Has this every happened to any of you and how have you dealt with it? I am a sensitive person so it's hard for me to deal with those things.




Termyn8or -> RE: Sexual Preference Intolerance (3/10/2008 8:21:54 PM)

summer, the only reason I am not in any type of therapy is because I can do it myself. What happened here is simple, you did not read her bigotry. You brought it up too soon and before you forged any kind of relationship. In another type of group I might say this was a mistake on your part, but if it is all about depression, one's desires are very important.What it boils down to is that she is not ready to participate in the group. That is not your fault and she should not even have gotten to the group stage.

If she is depressed enough to look for help, and then denies you for your sexual preference, she is not ready for it. Most likely she is hung up on religous ideals. And there is another thing. Some have the desire to be Gay or Lesbian but don't have the guts to follow through. This type of people are most vehemently opposed to such things. Like the old guy chiding a teen for his long hair, did they tell you the old Man was bald ? Jealousy.

Jealousy is probably the one and only aspect of human personality uglier than bigotry. Bigotry had roots in fact at one time, even though those facts have changed in the modern world and no longer apply. But jealousy has no such roots, it is the most immature of any reaction a human can give. You got something and I don't so I am pissed. Complete bullshit.

You got the guts in such a venue to be who you are and say how you are, you are light years ahead of that person. They want to hide their head in the sand. Let them. I have had plenty of discussions with people who say "I don't mind 'fags' as long as they don't try to convert my kids", to which I respond "They don't do that". And that is true.

In the words of Jose (I'll try to be as accurate as I can) " Noone would choose this, the way you get treated, the fact that you are different, it's not worth it, you are born with it and you can't stop it". As the discussion ensued, he went on with not only do they not try to recruit anyone, they actually go out of their way not to. As he had the floor I thought about myself being different than others, and I am. Struck a nerve there. In some cases all this can be applied to bdsm.

It's a deviation, but so what ? A deviation from what ? Something that others say you should be, I would tell them to go fuck themselves right to their face.

Took me a while to realize it, but I now know that everyone can't just do that. Not everyone is a Man who knows several forms of martial arts and has a gun and other weapons. Sometimes you gotta go home.

I think everyone should be confident in their self defense abilities. While it is not always possible, even the thought process of trying to elude or bust a criminal is a good thing. Grandma in a wheelchair with a shotgun sort of stuff.

By the way, what are you depressed about ? You got CM which is better than most therapy. We can't give you insulin or nitroglycerine, but we have "ears", and when you get to the group session stage, maybe discussing it here would help.

For example I can tell you this for sure ; Depression is something you do to yourself.

Try to refute that if you will, but it is true. Love, hate, anger all that comes from inside of you. It may be a rsponse to external conditions, but it is YOUR response, or reaction. I tell people "Do not react, an amoeba reacts, you respond". I need no cites for that, it is simply true. In fact it got one guy out of prison early for felonious assault and battery. I think he actually listened because he has not been in that kind of trouble since.

Back to the path here, you let an ignorant person make you feel something, stop doing that. What you feel is not dependent upon the world around you. It depends on you, and you alone. You might not believe this, but you will eventually.

In a way you can count this as a victory for your superior intellect. You are still in the group, they are not. There is no more proof needed. If it helps you to talk to those people, do it. Somene who is intolerant and has to walk out does not get that benefit. And that pretty much sums it up. You're not there for your -----wait, yes you are. Best of luck.

T




FangsNfeet -> RE: Sexual Preference Intolerance (3/10/2008 8:30:31 PM)

Rather than keep things hidden I perfer to wait untill I'm asked the questions.

In which case, I'll either answer truefully or with a "Why do you want to know?" "As of right now, it's none of your business."

In a group such as yours, you can always expect to have some one who's a few fries short of a happy meal. If they walk out and leave on account of someone elses sexual preference or beliefs, then the bennifits of your group is there loss. Go on and continue to be you. After all, you aren't doing anything wrong.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Sexual Preference Intolerance (3/10/2008 8:31:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

A LESSON IN BIGOTRY AND TOLERANCE
 
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

 
she did not criticize you for your choices, she did the adult thing and removed herself from an uncomfortable situation.... rather than to disrupt the group and push her own agenda.
 

Okay? Nope. She's a bigot from a family of anti-social bigots!
 
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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

 
being bisexual isn't the problem.... Her bigoted attitude IS. Luckily, her anti-social upbringing is something that is dying out....
 

And yeah, I know about Ignore. Think of it as a masochistic streak and call it my kink.
 
Kirata
 

 


I have had a ridiculously difficult day, so I don't know if I am interpreting your post correctly or not.  Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?




Kirata -> RE: Sexual Preference Intolerance (3/10/2008 8:31:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Let people feel how they feel...



Yes, exactly. There is a world of difference between asking for respect and demanding to be liked (nevermind this juvenile crap of calling people "bigots" if they don't). A claim for respect has the basis of our common humanity. Nobody has a claim on being liked. And, we don't have to like everybody to get along. We just have to respect each other.
 
K.
 




Kirata -> RE: Sexual Preference Intolerance (3/10/2008 8:49:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie


I have had a ridiculously difficult day, so I don't know if I am interpreting your post correctly or not.  Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?


Well there's a question I never expected. I'm tempted to be inscrutable, but, since you've had a hard day, yeah I'm agreeing with you, thanks for your post.
 
K.
 




ownedgirlie -> RE: Sexual Preference Intolerance (3/10/2008 8:57:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Well there's a question I never expected. I'm tempted to be inscrutable, but, since you've had a hard day, yeah I'm agreeing with you, thanks for your post.
 
K.
 


Ha!  I thought that was the case, but I'm working with scrambled brains at the moment.  Thanks for being "scrutable"  [:)]




summerblossom -> RE: Sexual Preference Intolerance (3/11/2008 9:05:28 PM)

Thankyou all for your encouraging statements. It helped me to feel alot better and understand some things. I won't take it personal and feel better and more confident about being open in my group. It still bugs me a little bit but I think it is fading day by day.




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