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run out of food? - 3/9/2008 4:07:47 PM   
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http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/CouldWeReallyRunOutOfFood.asp

what will summer and fall bring?   cheap meat prices for a while then high IMO
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RE: run out of food? - 3/9/2008 4:11:04 PM   
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Following current trends and extrapolating I think it will be cheap meat up until mid July then the meat prices will cool off slightly around august and then go up again around December. It really depends on the time at which there is demand for turkey etc.

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RE: run out of food? - 3/10/2008 5:44:12 AM   
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The food thing is supposed to be massive. Not just food but all commodities - the next George Soros will come through commodities not the foreign exchange markets.

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RE: run out of food? - 3/10/2008 5:58:57 AM   
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how do they figure prices in real terms havent gone up.  nevermind.

luckily we in America wont be as affected as some will.  so the key is to be a scientist to eat the way nature intended

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RE: run out of food? - 3/10/2008 6:07:39 AM   
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Hmm.  You might find you're affected more.  You've been used to virtually unlimited supplies of cheap food for ages.  Prices will sky-rocket and quantities will dwindle.  Then there's the knock-on effect in erms of overall economic stability.  Even God's own country will feel what's coming over the next couple of decades.

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RE: run out of food? - 3/10/2008 6:10:16 AM   
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That link does not exist according to when I clicked it just now. MSN comes up with ''we're sorry that link does not exist.'' Hmmm. I wanted to weigh in on this due to your statement hunky that Americans won't be as affected as some will. Though I cannot, with any alacrity, do that if I don't read the article.

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RE: run out of food? - 3/10/2008 7:14:11 AM   
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http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/CouldWeReallyRunOutOfFood.aspx     the link was missing the "x" sorry.

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RE: run out of food? - 3/10/2008 7:57:27 AM   
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Boy, this "Global Economy" just isn't working out too well,  is it?
I mean who comes up with this crap anyway?
Is it "Economists" from "YALE", Harvard, and Columbia?
I thought those people were supposed to be "smart" and they couldn't see all this comming?

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RE: run out of food? - 3/10/2008 9:35:27 AM   
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Blame supply side economics and the morons who promote a "free market". Idiots are going to ruin us all.

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RE: run out of food? - 3/10/2008 9:07:45 PM   
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Hunky honey, I'm going to have to hurt you now for forgetting that x. Cane or whip my dear??  

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RE: run out of food? - 3/10/2008 9:43:27 PM   
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I hear we are going into a full blown resession soon with the economy like it is. It is just to damned expensive to live nowdays.

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RE: run out of food? - 3/12/2008 8:09:00 AM   
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We actually are in a recession right now. It's just not officially called that - at the moment.

I read such things about four years ago. And look at what happened to prices. Food price increases are actually beyond inflation. The fact is partially obscured because they use food prices as one of the indicators of the cost of living.

The use of flawed data is something I am used to. They give you one number to indicate inflation, it is simply not all that accurate. You need to crunch the different numbers, those for cars, real estate and a few other things. When you see the isolated figures you can discern what portion of inflation is driven by supply and demand and what portion is caused by the decline of the dollar. Then you see a bigger picture.

Also realize something that not all that many people know; for the past few years now the US has been importing more than 50% of our food. Therefore the foreign exchange rates come into play.

There seems to be a base rate of devalueation of all currencies, and the disparity in those rates are caused mainly by trade imbalances. This is not just Economics 101, this should be on the entrance exam for Economics 101.

For example we do import some food from Europe. Most of it does come from South America, but let's delve into the foods we buy from countries that use the Euro.

Let me ask the Euro country dwellers here, now that the Euro is in such a good position in relation to the dollar, have food prices gone down in your country ?

Also on the entrance exam for Economics 101 should be the real reason for the almost universal devalueation of currency. I will use the word taxation, but in this context I will have to explain that I use it in the broader sense. I am not talking about taxation by governments alone, there are many other forms.

One factor is speculation. People buy pork belly futures to make money, and they make money or they would not do it. Then there is the stock market. There are dividends to pay. Then there are too many middlemen and overpaid executives, that is a form of taxation.

In other words there are just too many people who are taking alot of money, but produce very little if anything. The government is among them but they are not alone.

So you have the speculators making money, which increases prices and also offers less incentive to those who actually produce the product. Then you have these cockamamie scemes where the government pays farmers not to grow things. Ostensibly to not cause a glut on the market. In this way the government is supporting the speculators.

But now we have retirement funds dependent on this fouled up system.

And the increasing overpopulation at least here has it's obvious contribution to the problem. What's more the overcrowding causes more waste overall by many means. Intercene strife and conflict. People moving, couples split up and sometimes no money for the electric bill. The food spoils. That is but one example, there are too many to enumerate them all here. Especially on fast reply.

I don't know if anyone read the article I posted about overcrowding, but I highly recommend it. Sorry it is in JPG format. I tried to use OCR on it but it screwed it up so bad it wasn't worth the editing I would have to do. It is already contrast enhanced and the only problem is you have to size the image to the screen to read it. It does print nicely if you can force it to print on the whole page. (if you don't have a program that does this, contact me and I'll send you one, it's nice and can actually be put on a floppy)

It boils down to this, the Earth simply cannot comfortably support this many people. It can do it, but just barely. Remember the Zero Population Growth advocates of decades past. ? Whatever happened to them ? They were appealing to people's humanity to have only two kids, something like that. The idea was that overcrowding is bad for all of us.

Now they appeal to young Women's own futures, how a teen pregnancy affects THEIR life, nobody else's, and they still can't get people to be reasonable in their reproductive choices.

If this continues it will not be a matter of IF we run out of food, it will be a matter of WHEN.

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RE: run out of food? - 3/12/2008 12:57:23 PM   
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Notice how nothing is anyones fault,  ever.

Years ago "retirement" money was in CDs. Nothing else.   

the folks who dont beleive in contraception,  hold some of the blame.  if 10 rats are in a cage- it might be ok...maybe 100, 250 rats in the cage....but when there is 1,255,222,220 rats- not every rat will eat, have drinking water.

then we build this big 'system"  -- in promises effeicency, but is a lightening rod for greed. i mean the rush to globalize everything,to privatise everything.

the credit crises is nobodies fault, and so on.

we have a food outlet that opened.    great prices...tho the 3 most expensive items i bought? milk eggs and bread.   a cartload of groceries for $38.  3 of the items ran $7.++

the fed lowered the int rate.  now expected EU to do the same.   --seems we should be raising the rate, not lowering it.


the dude T refers to passed away---  the one who was concerned about population.

the herd alwys gets thinned out... weather it be a natural disaster or mandmade- thats the history.

i dont think we import 50% of foods... that sounds high


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RE: run out of food? - 3/12/2008 2:57:29 PM   
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Did anyone even read it?  Investing on Food production is probably good investing advice.  As an apoclyptic scenario, it is kind of weak. 

There are plenty of ways to get food, we are not going to run out.  Honestly, if Beef consumption goes down, it would basically be a good thing.  We can eat Algea and Fungi based foods now.  If food costs more we could see hydroponic production.  If pople ate more beans and less wheat, it would be better for the planets ecology and our health, which will cause anguish in the short term, but no need for starvation.

"Joseph R. Dancy, who teaches law at Southern Methodist University and runs a small hedge fund, lays the immediacy of the crisis directly on ethanol-production mandates in an energy bill recently passed by Congress. The bill, intended to boost America's energy independence, is expected to push as much as 31% of the U.S. corn crop into biofuels production, up from 24% last year. In other words, at the exact moment we most need corn on our plates, it is being funneled into cars. A full tank of gas requires the equivalent of a quarter of a ton of raw foodstuffs, enough to feed one person bread for a year."

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RE: run out of food? - 3/12/2008 7:42:38 PM   
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Eat the rich . They are fat, juicy and tasty. But, you have to cook them correctly, of course. I recommend spit (;) roasting while basting them with a homemade BBQ sauce. Yummy. And good for you too, in more ways than one.

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RE: run out of food? - 3/13/2008 8:08:36 PM   
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P.S. They are also good with fava beans and a nice chianti...

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RE: run out of food? - 3/13/2008 10:20:18 PM   
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Eat the rich . They are fat, juicy and tasty. But, you have to cook them correctly, of course. I recommend spit (;) roasting while basting them with a homemade BBQ sauce. Yummy. And good for you too, in more ways than one.


Do you leave the cigars in their mouths while they're turning on the spit, or do you replace the cigars with apples?

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RE: run out of food? - 3/13/2008 10:39:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subfever

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ORIGINAL: cjan

Eat the rich . They are fat, juicy and tasty. But, you have to cook them correctly, of course. I recommend spit (;) roasting while basting them with a homemade BBQ sauce. Yummy. And good for you too, in more ways than one.


Do you leave the cigars in their mouths while they're turning on the spit, or do you replace the cigars with apples?



Actually, I remove the cigars from their mouths, relight and enjoy them, and then use any fruit I have on hand for the yap.

If you'd like a recipe, lemme know.

< Message edited by cjan -- 3/13/2008 10:40:30 PM >

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RE: run out of food? - 3/13/2008 10:54:02 PM   
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Did anyone even read it?  Investing on Food production is probably good investing advice.  As an apoclyptic scenario, it is kind of weak. 

There are plenty of ways to get food, we are not going to run out.  Honestly, if Beef consumption goes down, it would basically be a good thing.  We can eat Algea and Fungi based foods now.  If food costs more we could see hydroponic production.  If pople ate more beans and less wheat, it would be better for the planets ecology and our health, which will cause anguish in the short term, but no need for starvation.

"Joseph R. Dancy, who teaches law at Southern Methodist University and runs a small hedge fund, lays the immediacy of the crisis directly on ethanol-production mandates in an energy bill recently passed by Congress. The bill, intended to boost America's energy independence, is expected to push as much as 31% of the U.S. corn crop into biofuels production, up from 24% last year. In other words, at the exact moment we most need corn on our plates, it is being funneled into cars. A full tank of gas requires the equivalent of a quarter of a ton of raw foodstuffs, enough to feed one person bread for a year."


Conventional agriculture, and mammals for meat are inherently wasteful in any case. We'd be better off with this for most of our food production, and it can run year round-not seasonally.
http://www.aquaponica.com.au/Information.html

And inland desolate desert areas can be used to distill water by evaporative means from seawater.




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