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Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 11:13:25 AM   
sharainks


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What a novel idea.  Hospitals will no longer be able to charge patients for their mistakes.  I would like to go one better.  That is- they have to offer services free to repair the mistakes they make. 
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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 11:38:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		And so they jolly well should! Why should someone have to pay for procedures/care out of their own finances/insurance for errors committed by the hospital they were originally treated at?

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 12:37:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		'Not getting paid by Medicare', and 'free' are two different things. The hospitals will figure out some way to pass the costs along.

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 1:36:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Last year, a friend of mine went into the hospital and was KILLED by their mistake...........No shit. Too pissed to type anything else for fear of a long winded rant.

Edit- I want to apologize for being a downer on this one.I just hadn't thought of my friend for a while, and the title jolted my memory and perhaps some emotion.-OD

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 2:12:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very interesting.  They will pass the cost on... they have to.

What kills many of us is the medical malpractice caps that were intended in part to cut expenses and have not.

My son was brain damaged as a result of negligence.  They got paid for it.  My son was at fault too.  It was two forces combined that I will now pay for the rest of my life.  And whats worse... is the government paid... you tax payers paid.  The hospital got paid for their mistakes and lol treatment... and yet I still get nothing to help in his care.  Gotta love this system!

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 2:14:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ominousdominus

Last year, a friend of mine went into the hospital and was KILLED by their mistake...........No shit. Too pissed to type anything else for fear of a long winded rant.

Edit- I want to apologize for being a downer on this one.I just hadn't thought of my friend for a while, and the title jolted my memory and perhaps some emotion.-OD


Please don't worry about that.  It is completly understandable!  You rightfully feel as you do and you shouldn't have to hide it.

My best to you!

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 2:29:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I'm sure they will just raise the overall cost to everyone for their services.  At least those who are damaged by their neglect will not get  a bill for it.  I do think it might make lawsuits a bit easier when insurance and medicare find grounds not to pay for a service.

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 2:36:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unless of course, at 3AM in the middle of a session, a rider somehow gets slipped into a national security appropriations bill, giving immunity to certain 'providers'....

Not that anything like that could ever happen here of course.

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 7:11:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		And people wonder why I study homeopathy and nutrition.

Let me tell you something. Up until a week or so ago I was getting these abdominal cramps that about doubled me over, made my eyes water they were so bad. I mean I did not want to drive because if it happened on the highway I would most likely wreck the car.

Do you understand that ?

You would say that any sane person would run to a doctor immediately, I mean I could not stand up. About three times a day I was incapacitated for about five mimutes.

If you wonder why I never even considered seeking out a doctor, read this thread again, maybe fifty times, it MIGHT come to you. I will not go to a doctor unless I KNOW I am going to die. I have made exceptions, but they are very rare.

The fact of the matter is that doctors and hospitals aren't even held to the standards of a fucking TV shop or an auto repair garage. You think I am walking in that door perhaps I am not the insane one. Hospitals KILL tens of thousands of people every year. I would rather go to a vet. If a vet is operating on your dog and it dies, do you pay the bill ?

If I got busted up somehow, needed stitches or a cast, doctors are great, but I have no use for them when it comes to medicine. I will live or die with my beliefs. If you think that is crazy fine.

Barrom brawl, gunshot wound, car wreck, sure let the sawbones put you back together. But if the organism in me cannot survive then it cannot. I do not want to shorten my life by one single day, but as written in a song a long time ago "When this old engine can't climb that hill, I'll write a suicide note on a hundred dollar bill". That is me and that is the type of arrogance I hide from most people.

I hardly ever discuss my physical problems and I do not intend to start because the best help I can get I'll most likely get on my own. Realistically I would like to be able to order procedures, like blood workup and things like that, for myself. I have no faith or trust in them and as long as the system is the way it is I never will.

Y'all enjoy that universal health care, I will be bowing out.

T

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 7:30:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Years ago I studied phytotherapy and there was a statement that eight out of ten admissions to hospital were due to side effects from alopathic medicine. I see medicines, drugs if you like a product of a company seeking sales, we trust them and think them there to help us. The reality is, they help themselves.The latest news about xeroxat and it's adverse effects with young people, there was a lot of research not made public and one does wonder what other wonder product has similar hidden badness.

Against my better judgement at a bad time I submitted to a drug after long denying its use, now after a year on that drug, my conclusion, it does not work, but woe betide me if I quit taking it. Three days off I have managed so far, tapering down is hard and I would sooner them not being a part of my life, but fear the consequences, a problem far worse than the initial complaint. A complaint as yet unresolved.

I see a lot of what medics do as a form of experimentation, something which it seems they are not held accountable for. Sign a consent form and pray or rather believe they know what they are doing. Every other profession that is involved with public safety is accountable, Kill someone and your ass is grass, a prison sentence perhaps or at least the end of your career. The medics, no, they get away with it, bad service and they find a way out of the trouble, it as if they are protected .

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/9/2008 8:08:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Term, keep your cell phone charged up so you can call 911 when your gallbladder bursts.  They're going to need to clean out your abdomen so you don't die from the infection.  But hey, it won't kill you before then.

And dammit, we luv ya, and we don't wanna lose you.

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/11/2008 5:32:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cellphone ? What's a cellphone ?

At work, if I write down a part number, 335P93301 and I screw it up and write 335P93303 there is a problem.

However it seems to be OK for doctors. They almost killed the olman a couple of years ago by inadvertently tripling his dosage of a vasodilator.

What happened to the person that made that mistake ? Absolutley nothing.

If he had been in a nursing home he would most likely be dead now, but he himself observes all his medications. He has refused several. He refused Lipitor once he pried his cholesterol index out their almost cold dead fingers, 210. Are you kidding me ? He also refuses all calcium blockers and most MAO inhibitors.

When you see a drug dealer on the corner, do not call him a pusher. People come to him to get something voluntarily. Generally his customers know what they are getting and what it will do to them.

In a doctor's office most people are in the dark. They say take this and you take it. You never asked for it. You don't know what it'll do to you, either good or bad, and alot of times neither do they. They are going to "try" something. They call it "practice".

If my gall bladder ruptures, it's been nice, but I am gone now.

T

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/11/2008 6:24:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any death or harm caused by medical practitioners who are supposed to know what they are doing should be treated as a technical charge as it is in the forces. Negligence should be punished, why should they be immune from prosecution?

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/11/2008 6:28:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is why people are being screened for MRSA before being admitted.  If they acquire the infection while in the hospital, then Medicare's not paying, it goes on the hospital's nickel.  As it should.

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RE: Not getting charged for medical errors - 3/11/2008 6:39:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Hey Term, keep your cell phone charged up so you can call 911 when your gallbladder bursts.  They're going to need to clean out your abdomen so you don't die from the infection.  But hey, it won't kill you before then.

And dammit, we luv ya, and we don't wanna lose you.

Dr. Cali
(hey! I got scrubs and a stethoscope and... I like to PLAY doctor... close enough!)

 That is exactly what happened to me. Eight months of agony turned into 27 stitches and 19 staples.I will never ignore severe pain (for that long) again, it's not worth it.

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