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No country for old men - 3/6/2008 4:51:35 AM   
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Norway is strictly enforcing a law that says 40% of non-executive directors on the board of any company must be female.  Men are being fired and women appointed in their places.  With very few exceptions so far, the law is being observed and has received support from both ends of the political spectrum. 

Norway has exceptionally low unemployement at 1.5% and a relatively homogenous population, which may make changes of this kind more palatable.  What are your thoughts about the introduction of a law like this in your country?

My own view is that this would be unworkable without an extremely open-minded and progressive population - I don't live in such a place and doubt many do.  The thought of 40% of directors being female is irrelevant to me. While it seems desirable as a goal, I question the value of getting there by statute.

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,2262450,00.html

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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 5:02:17 AM   
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Why should woman take a step down?

the law is silly.  it will lead to a dummy board

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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 6:12:28 AM   
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Ridiculous law and I fail to see how it can be applied to a private company.
The kommisars are gaining ground everyday.

Mustn't drink bottled water 'cos my committee says it has no benefit.
Supermarkets must not open branches on the outskirts of town.
Supermarkest must limit their operation inside towns. We kommisars know how to raise prices and inconvenience people. We are very good at that.
I know lets make alcohol even more expensive than it already is. That should kill off a few more UK pubs. These pubs are part of white working class heritage and culture. Who cares about that. Let the slobs visit the Opera or the Theatre or even better the Ballet.
My committee and I know whats best for people and by all thats right in this world you bastards are going to get it.

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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 7:27:40 AM   
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RealityLicks:
You are probably right.
We didn't need a statute to end slavery.
We didn't need a statute to stop children working in mines.
We didn't need a statute to get a 40 hour week.
We didn't need a statute to get OSHA.
We didn't need a statute to get unions.
We didn't need a statute to get a minimum wage.
We didn't need a statute to get seat belts.
We didn't need a statute to get air bags.
I can see exactly what you mean
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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 7:53:55 AM   
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Licks, once again you post a thread with a misleading title :-) . I thought this was going to be about the Coen brothers' latest masterpiece, and I find a thread about Norwegian gender quota policy. Now, Aswad's going to turn up and this thread won't ever stop  .




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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 9:00:24 AM   
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quote:

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Norway is strictly enforcing a law that says 40% of non-executive directors on the board of any company must be female.  Men are being fired and women appointed in their places.  With very few exceptions so far, the law is being observed and has received support from both ends of the political spectrum. 

Norway has exceptionally low unemployement at 1.5% and a relatively homogenous population, which may make changes of this kind more palatable.  What are your thoughts about the introduction of a law like this in your country?

My own view is that this would be unworkable without an extremely open-minded and progressive population - I don't live in such a place and doubt many do.  The thought of 40% of directors being female is irrelevant to me. While it seems desirable as a goal, I question the value of getting there by statute.

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,2262450,00.html

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And just what is a "progressive population?"
Some Democrats try to call themselves that but when they do I always get a visual of Ted Kennedy's fat ass on a bar stool in a cigar smoke filled bar room doling out "favors" to other senators.
Maybe they should have that as a motto in the senate, "No country for old men."
Or, "Two terms and you're out!"

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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 9:22:02 AM   
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LOL Kit, you are probably right. But if he doesn't, there is always good ol me.

On the subject though, I think anytime anyone is put in a position they did not earn it is a bad thing. I don't think many people would disagree given the current US administration. But there is a flipside.

If it is true that Women who are as qualified, or possibly moreso are not put into these positions because of gender, then perhaps corrective action is needed. These old cliquish clans could probably run their companies into the ground all they want, but once publicly traded must comply.

We have hiring quotas here, for example for construction companies that take government contracts. This is gender and race.

Well there are certainly some jobs that they have trouble finding Women for, like bricklayer. I know a Woman, a tough one who might well be able to kick my ass. She is a hottie and I used to have a crush on her but she went lesbian so I ain't gettin none.

But she is tough and agile and her Uncle who owned a construction company sponsored her into an apprenticeship program in the local union. You gotta understand, being a union bricklayer is a tough job, and she could not hack it physically. That opportunity fell on her brother, who completed the program and is now a mason. But the original idea was to actually have a female bricklayer. Some Uncle eh ?

It would be a much better world if everything was awarded strictly on merit, but it is not. If you looked at Bush's resume and had the country's best interests in mind you would never in a million years consider letting him be President. He ran every business he touched into the ground, and now he is running this country into the ground.

This is a perfect example. Other motives were involved in making him President.

Now if it is indeed bigotry keeping Women out of the boardrooms in Norway, perhaps the action is justified. But there is another thing, something that I am going to state and is my opinion, and is drawn from life experience and some historical reference.

Men should run the world, but I mean MEN, not overgrown boys. Men who want to make the most money do not see skin color, they see green. Men do not see a vagina and breasts, they see a mind, a mind that might possibly help make money. Of course boys in some cases will hire Women just to be around them.

But Men, real Men who are hard to find at times think differently than Women. This is ingrained, and it happened naturally. The Woman will think more of the here and now while a Man thinks about the future.

I am not saying that the males who sit in the boardrooms are Men or think in the long term. In fact I find (in my own mind) that many are knee jerkers and don't belong in any position of power. But they are there.

The conditions that produced the yin vs yang way of thinking, that is concentrated on immediate needs in Women was caused by conditions that existed a long time ago. The Man had to plow, to reap a harvest later, meanwhile for the Woman, the kids need to eat every day.

Well conditions have changed and male have been emasculated, and I don't mean in the kinky aspect, I mean in the mind. Everybody goes for short term profits no matter what the price.

The disparity of the two minsets is disappearing. Many years ago you could rightly think that a White Man was most intelligent, and he actually was at one time, but this is not true anymore.

That leaves only one wrong thing about quotas. Taking something somebody built and forcing them into certain policies is wrong on any scale. Not when it comes to the product, but when it comes to the hiring and firing.

But it is not a perfect world. In any business I would hire the best person for the job, period. I look at a White I see green, I look at a Black I see green, I look at a nice rack I see green. This is the way business should be done, period. I think interviews should be conducted via some sort of IM, that removes all bigotry.

Remember that I have expounded on the difference between racism and bigotry, and have openly stated that I am indeed a racist, but not a bigot. So get this, I want the Black President. That's right, in the absence of a snowball's chance in hell for Ron Paul, I have to support Obama. And it is not that Hillary is a Woman, I am just against a few things (more) that she is for. White Men have been running this country into the ground for too long. Time for someone else to take a crack at it. I am not kidding.

Of course were they really Men ? Or were they overgrown boys ?

I too would be interested in what Aswad has to say about this. And as to the thread never ending, oh well.

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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 9:38:47 AM   
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You can well imagine that I disagree with nearly everything you said, termy, but that was to be expected.

Ask the women below whether they can only see the "here and now", unable as they are to project into the future:

Meg Whitman - CEO of eBay;

Patricia Russo - CEO of Alcatel-Lucent;

Anne Mulcahy - Chairman (the irony!) and CEO of Xerox Corp;

Cathleen Black - President, Hearst Mags. ;

Shelly Lazarus - Chairman and CEO of Ogilvy and Mather. There are more.

However, these successful examples of corporate climbers are few and far between; women make half of the American workforce, yet only eight Fortune 500 companies have women CEOs. Of these companies, sixty-seven don't have any women corporate officers at all.

I have seen it: in business and in government/international bureaucracies, there is a glass ceiling that prevents highly competent, brilliant women from reaching the top of the ladder. The battle isn't won yet... whatever Aswad may say lol.

I don't particularly like the idea of quotas either; but I also believe that it's necessary to break this glass ceiling. These seemingly unfair measures will eventually become obsolete, as corporate and business culture accepts that there are as many highly capable women out there as there are men. Indeed, women may bring a different perspective to business which may well constitute its future.

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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 11:13:07 AM   
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Norway has a small homogenous nation and is oil rich, it can afford to social experiments. One assumes though, women aren't being placed on boards simply because they are women but because they have what it takes to do the job, if not, I bet it won;t be long before this law falls into disrepute.

Placing women in positions just because they are women doesn't seem a good idea to me. Look at the Labour Party and their all women short lists for their Parliamentary candidates. They haven't produced many good female politicians, in fact the best female politician Labour has is an old fashioned bar room brawler. As for the Blairettes, they have proved to be total and utter middleclass shite.

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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 11:26:37 AM   
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Now, Aswad's going to turn up and this thread won't ever stop  .



Haha..........Tha's funny.........Haha, and true......Haha

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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 11:32:00 AM   
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Now, Aswad's going to turn up and this thread won't ever stop  .



Haha..........Tha's funny.........Haha, and true......Haha




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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 11:37:23 AM   
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quote:

Licks, once again you post a thread with a misleading title :-) . I thought this was going to be about the Coen brothers' latest masterpiece,


Me too, but I'd say it was McCathy's masterpiece.  

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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 11:39:20 AM   
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Fair enough :-) . A great screenplay helps a movie's cause, there's no denying it.

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RE: No country for old men - 3/6/2008 3:19:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Norway is strictly enforcing a law that says 40% of non-executive directors on the board of any company must be female.  Men are being fired and women appointed in their places.  With very few exceptions so far, the law is being observed and has received support from both ends of the political spectrum. 

Norway has exceptionally low unemployement at 1.5% and a relatively homogenous population, which may make changes of this kind more palatable.  What are your thoughts about the introduction of a law like this in your country?

My own view is that this would be unworkable without an extremely open-minded and progressive population - I don't live in such a place and doubt many do.  The thought of 40% of directors being female is irrelevant to me. While it seems desirable as a goal, I question the value of getting there by statute.

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,2262450,00.html

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My view? It's a load of horse-shit.

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