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Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/5/2008 9:23:24 PM   
SugarMyChurro


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What piracy crisis? MPAA touts record box office for 2007
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080305-for-movie-biz-tales-of-piracy-and-record-profits.html

Certainly the MPAA has the right to fight illegal downloads of its material, and it certainly has the right to go after those making a profit by ripping off its DVDs. But the rhetoric around "piracy" (a term used far too broadly) simply doesn't fit with reality. If piracy is killing the movie business, it's doing so in exactly the same way that home taping killed the music business in the 1980s.

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Same tired shit. Sharing really isn't the same as stealing; nor is it the same as piracy; nor does it impact the bottom line the way they claim it does.

They could be making money from sharing. Instead, they pursue a pointless witch hunt that they will lose and creates bad blood.

The street makes its own rules and has its own uses for things.
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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/5/2008 9:31:08 PM   
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Lol I haven't believed the hype for years. Netflix is my best buddy and I keep toshiba in business buying new drives.

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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/5/2008 9:49:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
But the rhetoric around "piracy" (a term used far too broadly) simply doesn't fit with reality.


When you have tens of millions of dollars to spend on lobbyists, advertising, lawyers, image consultants, focus groups, politicians, ad nauseum, you create your own reality.

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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/6/2008 9:30:33 AM   
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Damn shame I gotta go to work, you will all have to wait for my response until later.

Take it from a guy who has 50 gigs of media on the computer, I am not listening to their whining. I'll read it, but it is most likely going out the other ear. They just want more money. That's what they do.

T

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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/6/2008 1:25:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
If piracy is killing the movie business, it's doing so in exactly the same way that home taping killed the music business in the 1980s.


Indeed! In the late 1970s and early 1980s, I singlehandedly wiped out the entire music industry with my Teac A450 deck and a few cases of TDK cassettes.

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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/6/2008 1:52:20 PM   
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50 gigs? Ha! (j/k) I have over 200 gigs of music. to be honest, alot of it is garbage, or entire discographies of old stuff thats impossible to buy anymore. newer stuff I find that I haven't heard before, I will either delete after I listen, or keep it and support the band and order the cd directly from them. so yeah fuck them and their whining. they don't represent any real artists, just trash.

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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/6/2008 2:16:46 PM   
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Piracy has dogged the computer software industry since its infancy and it has still grown into a thriving business.  The movie and music industries need to learn to adapt and make their product more valuable to consumers.  Better pricing would be a good start.

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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/6/2008 3:36:29 PM   
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The suits cant stop it.

Why?

Cause the kids know computer science better then 40 year olds.


The kids will out-manuever.   They can spend millions to make it un-copy-able, and some geek will figure out a away around it.

The tighter they hang on the more these suits are loathed.

After scammed acts like Elvis- the industry- the "union card" to play an instrument in public-  the payola scandal;

especially the payola scandal.   what have you done for me, [the consumer] lately?


almost every profession is forever changed due to the internet.,  they are no exception,

yes - intelectual "property" will be a hot issue.  but the practice of the kids will  prevail.

i wish i thought other areas would come out as good.
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when todays kids are in charge they sure are going to say "Fckk you"  to  us older  population.

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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/6/2008 3:54:05 PM   
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if they stop mp3 a new format will come soon after that.
for the record...i dl stuff...listen to it...delete it if dont like it....but the ones i do like i purchase online from a place called "sonic cathedral-female fronted music store".  i only have about 50 cd's.  because im picky.




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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/8/2008 9:16:23 AM   
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I know of a band that was marketing it's own CDs, Tshirts and everything. CDs burned and printed at home, the Tshirts actually airbrushed on the leader's back porch. They never even thought about approaching a record company (funny it's still called that even thought they do not make records anymore). They did do some college radio shows though. Unfortuna5tely ill fate struck them in spades. One guitarist got busted, he wasn't doing anything but he had like 43 guns in his car. One singer left because he and the drummer didn't get along and then last month the drummer died.

How does this relate to this point ? It does, this is not a hijack. The problem is that people don't take music in a personal way. In the history of music it has never gotten as impersonal as it is today. In the beginning people liked to make noise, and eventually found ways to make that noise pleasing. It was a personal thing, performed in a cave or some tribal gathering of some sort.

Music is an addiction for some, and as anyone hip to psychology can tellya, an addict is not getting what they need. So this whole industry sprung up to give the people their "fix".

This industry is setup like any other - to maximize profits. Back to the days of LPs, those cutting and stamping machines were well amortized and it got to the point where it only cost pennies per album to produce, and they all cost the same unless it was a special edition high quality or half speed master or something like that. Yet one is $8.99 and another is $21.99. Why ? Because in a for profit industry, supply and demand dictate prices, not reasonable profit margins. It is almost inversed in a way. They would make more money selling an album that is in high demand at the same price, but that is not good enough for them.

They pander to the addiction, and sometimes offer enticements. Just how much do you think it cost to print the posters they included with the Beatles White Album ? I bet it wasn't even a dollar per set.

So now they are on to intellectual property. I have said it before so I will not dwell on it, but up in my attic is a hell of alot of media, I don't use it anymore but having it proves that I own the rights to that intellectual property.

And worth a quick mention, if you use P2P to download you MUST make a new directory and get most of the material out of the shared directory. We all know a P2P doesn't work if people do not share, so you have to share some, but to fit the situation the best I figured this out. When you DL something and it comes in seconds from alot of sources, get it out of the shared folder. It's not needed. But do share those that took longer, the three minute song that took a month to get even though you have broadband. That is because very few people have it. So much for that for now.

So you sell say a million copies at $17.99, minus the store's cut, what about $12 ? Then the distributors who specialize in handling albums gets their cut, so now we might be at $9. Don't forget the whole dollar an album for the band so we are down to $8. Now you have machinery that cost alot fifteen years ago, it has already paid for itself and now you are making money. Do prices go down ? No, it's because the rules of the game are to profiteer whenever possible, and very few people will complain because it really is not a necessity. It is entertainment.

But then the OP mentioned the MPAA, not the RIAA. But the same thing applies. A movie does cost alot to make, but the huge profits are derived because of the addiction to entertainment. If everybody said "I ain't payin no more than two dollars to see a movie" things would change in a hurry, but people can't do that. Why ? The addiction.

This piracy is akin to an addict stealing drugs rather than paying his drug dealer. I try not to let it do me like that, but I DL anyway.

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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/8/2008 10:11:25 AM   
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Sorry I got cut off. It was acting funny.

Anyway there are so many people in the chain between the artist and the viewer/listener it is ridiculous. It should not be this way.

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RE: Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype! - 3/8/2008 4:37:10 PM   
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the "union card" to play an instrument in public


Not really.  There are cities that have ordinances banning playing without buying a license from the city (cabaret licenses and street performers permits, etc.)

The AFM card is supposed to derive certain benefits for the holder, but it doesn't prevent anyone who wants to perform in non-union venues without being an AFM member from doing so.
http://www.memphismusicpros.org/

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