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Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 5:46:18 PM   
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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 5:52:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not much. Troups come home. People forget about it. Iraq keeps on swimming in the mess the troups made (albeit, through no direct fault of their one, save for the cunts at Abu Graib). The US tries to recoup all the billions (trillions? I get lost in the astronomical figures) it's lost. At least, the country stops loosing all that dough.

I don't know. What's sure is that it'll take a lot of political and economic will to make good a bad situation. On both sides of the coin :-( .

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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 5:56:21 PM   
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What do you think would happen if there were a vote to cut off funding for the military in Iraq?


Casualties would skyrocket.  Morale would plummet.  The troops would come home, but not right away and not in dignified fashion.


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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:02:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Morale would plummet."

Yeah, right.

Where do you go from the basement?

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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:04:39 PM   
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"Morale would plummet."

Yeah, right.

Where do you go from the basement?

Straight to hell....which is where any politician that would cut off funding of the troops belongs.


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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:04:53 PM   
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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:08:47 PM   
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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:09:23 PM   
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"Morale would plummet."

Yeah, right.

Where do you go from the basement?

Straight to hell....which is where any politician that would cut off funding of the troops belongs.



HELL is something that Religious Fundamentalists and Extremists believe in.

I am neither, so I must inform you that I find your answer unsatisfying.

You may certainly try again.

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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:11:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe anybody would "cut off" troops from eating or having ammunitions. Surely, it would be a gradual thing? I'm not an expert at anything, and certainly not at military budgetting.

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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:12:07 PM   
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"Morale would plummet."

Yeah, right.

Where do you go from the basement?

Straight to hell....which is where any politician that would cut off funding of the troops belongs.



HELL is something that Religious Fundamentalists and Extremists believe in.

I am neither, so I must inform you that I find your answer unsatisfying.

You may certainly try again.


Since your question and my answer were both metaphorical, saying the answer is unsatisfying is disingenuous and facetious.

You may attempt to rephrase your question in more literal terms, since you desire literal answers.  Otherwise, your facile attempt at rhetoric is itself unsatisfying.


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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:16:23 PM   
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Since your question and my answer were both metaphorical,


My question was rhetorical.

I don't believe there's anything metaphorical in the expression of your desire to see those who would act in ways you find Politically Undesirable subjected to Eternal Torment, or Guantanamo Bay Prison Colony.



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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:20:30 PM   
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I don't believe anybody would "cut off" troops from eating or having ammunitions. Surely, it would be a gradual thing? I'm not an expert at anything, and certainly not at military budgetting.


Me either, kittin. I'm curious as to how it'd all play out.

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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:21:33 PM   
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What do you think would happen if there were a vote to cut off funding for the military in Iraq?


No problem. Don't you recall that the Republican administration promised at the start that this lightning quick war to remove WMDs from the hands of the 911 terrorists would be funded by Iraqi oil (with the local citizens constantly showering US, er, Co-attrition liberators with rose petals)?

This thing started under the leadership of someone famous for avoiding personal involvement in war by a clever combination of connections and cowardice. How do you suppose it will proceed if we replace him with someone who built his political career on having accidentally gotten stranded for several years in the country he was trying to attack?

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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:22:15 PM   
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That means, it ain't ending anytime soon.



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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:30:23 PM   
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What do you think would happen if there were a vote to cut off funding for the military in Iraq?


whats his face wouldf calulate how much money had left and how much it would cost to get out, how long we could stay based on whats left and they would all load up and come home.

Let blackwater stay and the iraqis can pay them!

Even if ron paul were to somehow get in I cant see him bringing them out prior to the already established target dates now that everything is literally entrenched as it is.

I cant see us pulling out until we install a dictatorship as a psuedo democracy and have everyone well in our court and under our control. signed sealed and delivered.  Then we will see some withdrawal.  Some.





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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:35:14 PM   
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How do you suppose it will proceed if we replace him with someone who built his political career on having accidentally gotten stranded for several years in the country he was trying to attack?



But McCain wouldn't cut off funding, Noah.

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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:40:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will continue...If someone was waging an unpopular war which was started on a mass of flawed intel...(Sounds so much better than lies)

So the Dems vote to cut the funding. Aside from a certain veto..Let's say that it was effective and supplies and funding were dropped.

Who in their right mind would keep them fighting? I would like to think that you just might be so compelled to bring them home...But no! Keep them fighting so you can throw the loss of life at the Dems.

I just don't get this Country's mentality when it comes to this war and the people who have perpetuated it.


Lets just say we were a corporation...and we are in the business of exporting freedom. George would be the CEO of this huge ass corp.

So we begin exporting freedom on 3-19-03...We are promised to be greeted as liberators and our brand of freedom to be accepted almost immediately. The "Mission is Accomplished" on 5-1-03. Saddam is captured on 12-13-03.

3,835 dead since 5-1-03...Thousands wounded. It was argued that troops initially went to war with inferior equipment and unarmored vehicles. Our product is left rotting on the shelves. The stock plummets. It appears no one wants our brand of freedom. Our market research was wrong.

When in the fuck do we fire this guy? Now we have the "Surge." A supposed success. If so successful why wasn't this strategy utilized from the get? We are losing lives. We are such a callous nation when it comes to the loss of life. If this was a corp and we were losing share value the CEO would have been replaced years ago. The loss of life means nothing. No Big deal!

If cutting the funding means and end to the war...Cut the funding. When the Republicans claim that you are not supporting the troops you point at them and say, "Fuck You! I'm bringing them home the only way that I have left."

Not supporting the troops, you say? See that guy over there with his two kids?...He would have been killed by a roadside bomb. And you know what his death would have meant to the people of Iraq? Not one fucking thing. They will not know freedom because we wish it. And they would not know freedom because this guys guts were splattered all over some road in Iraq....So again, Fuck you!


Saddam is gone. There is no end in sight to the turmoil that is Iraq. When you die for something it better be pretty fucking important. I'm glad I will never see Texas or Indiana ever again. It was totally worth giving up fucking my girl so that I could have the chance to sacrifice my life for the people of Iraq. I'm so happy that I am in this wheelchair...my prosthetic leg and arm are a small price to pay....When my blood spilled out onto the sand I kept thinking about the Iraqis and how grateful they are for all of our sacrifices...

How many of you would be willing to lay down your life so that an Iraqi, who never asked for it, "might" possibly get a taste of our brand of freedom? Are you really willing to die for that? Cut the funding...Bring them home.



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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:42:12 PM   
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I don't believe there's anything metaphorical in the expression of your desire to see those who would act in ways you find Politically Undesirable subjected to Eternal Torment, or Guantanamo Bay Prison Colony.


*snort*

How fortunate for you belief is irrelevant. 

I criticize, castigate, and condemn any politician who votes to send troops into combat and then votes to deny them the means to prevail.  If that means putting them in a lake of fire, I'm actually quite ok with that.  If that means making them listen to endless loops of Rush Limbaugh, I'm ok with that too.

As for my opinions of Guantanamo, you should pay attention to a few more threads. Then you might actually know what you're talking about.


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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:44:35 PM   
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How do you suppose it will proceed if we replace him with someone who built his political career on having accidentally gotten stranded for several years in the country he was trying to attack?



But McCain wouldn't cut off funding, Noah.


As I understand the U.S. Constitution it isn't the President's choice in any event.

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RE: Funding the troops in Iraq - 3/5/2008 6:53:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		If they cut off funding, people would start coming home.  It would be done hastily; and Turkey, Saudia Arabia, Syria, Iran, and Kuwait would all busy themselves taking advantage of the situation.  I wouldn't expect them to do anything less, because they are right next door to a powder keg.  Yeah, there would be an increase in violence and a possible free for all civil war.  If you think Somalia was bad, you haven't seen anything once we leave Iraq to the mercy of warlords with ready access to American ordinance that would surely be left behind.  On top of that, add a worldwide economic crisis due to disruptions in the oil market.  Anyway you look at it; we are not going anywhere for quite sometime.   

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