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McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/3/2008 9:50:47 PM   
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 You thought Farrakhan was bad.And, at least Mr. Obama rejected/denounced the wacko fundie.

McCain is buddy-buddy with this ass hole fundie.


http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/02/the_mccain_campaign_stumbles_o.html

Where`s the outrage?

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RE: McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/4/2008 6:20:35 AM   
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McCain is buddy-buddy or has received endorsement? I read the article and did not see any buddy-buddy evidence. do you have any? Also, if we investigate everyone that supports anyone, I am sure there are some crazies among all of them. I had no problem with Farrakhan supporting Obama, who did people think he was going to support, David Duke?

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RE: McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/4/2008 7:15:03 AM   
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Guess it needs ~spain`n~.

Obama - rejects,denounces and distances himself from wacco fundie Farrakhan.

McCain- seeks out and gets endorsement from wacco fudnie Haggee.

See the difference?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdroHjMipCk

Might help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6BomBJeug4&feature=related


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Endorsed by an influential Texas televangelist, Republican John McCain endeared himself to one group of voters but risked alienating another with the pastor's anti-Catholic views.
The controversy has been mild so far, but still, every vote counts in a presidential election that is expected to be closely contested.
Evangelical or born-again Christian voters were key to George W. Bush's victories, but so were Roman Catholics, who chose Bush over their fellow Catholic John Kerry in 2004 and over Al Gore in 2000.
The televangelist, San Antonio megachurch leader John Hagee, has referred to the Roman Catholic Church as "the great whore" and called it a "false cult system" and "the apostate church"; the word "apostate" means someone who has forsaken his religion.
He also has linked Adolf Hitler to the Catholic church, suggesting it helped shape his anti-Semitism."
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDibKu9cwCdKWIQ4MXDoy3Ab37-gD8V68I800


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This is a dangerous guy and his particular disease is no small matter.

He and folks like him should be rejected just on the face of it.

The christian right is a very dark,hateful scary place.

Haggee`s endorsement and buddy-buddy hugs are no small matter either.

There`s a lot-a lot of Catholic republican blue collar types where I live.Every one of them I know will hear about this.

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RE: McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/4/2008 7:47:20 AM   
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I think Orion's correct there are a great many folks in this wonderful country that would think most of us are wacko's. Not many folks understand the ideas of the S/m relationship or the idea of owning slaves. It's most likely more important we keep things in perspective. I thought it was rather silly to draw lines to Obama from Farrakhan as well.  This kind of stuff is usually nothing but a distraction from the real issues of importance.

Bull

Oh, by the way, I'm a Catholic. I didn't see anything apart from politics of the norm. And like I've said, I am having trouble with all these candidates...

REMEMBER THE COALITION to write in Colin L. Powell. So far I think I'm the only team member. I'm not even sure Colin would like the idea.

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Also, if we investigate everyone that supports anyone, I am sure there are some crazies among all of them. I had no problem with Farrakhan supporting Obama, who did people think he was going to support, David Duke?



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RE: McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/4/2008 7:52:26 AM   
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I concure it was a distraction with Obama and it's a distraction with McCain.
You can't control who endorces you. The idea that endorcements go both drections automaticly is fatally flawed.

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RE: McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/4/2008 8:23:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xBullx

I think Orion's correct there are a great many folks in this wonderful country that would think most of us are wacko's. Not many folks understand the ideas of the S/m relationship or the idea of owning slaves. It's most likely more important we keep things in perspective. I thought it was rather silly to draw lines to Obama from Farrakhan as well.  This kind of stuff is usually nothing but a distraction from the real issues of importance.

Bull

Oh, by the way, I'm a Catholic. I didn't see anything apart from politics of the norm. And like I've said, I am having trouble with all these candidates...

REMEMBER THE COALITION to write in Colin L. Powell. So far I think I'm the only team member. I'm not even sure Colin would like the idea.

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Also, if we investigate everyone that supports anyone, I am sure there are some crazies among all of them. I had no problem with Farrakhan supporting Obama, who did people think he was going to support, David Duke?




Read the info and make your choices.

That`s all.No "investigations" lol,or silliness like that.

My interest is getting info out,nothing more.

It`s also to kill this notion that both sides are just as bad as the other.

That`s a bunch of crap and a right-wing talking point.

What else are these crooks going to say?Certainly not,"yeah,we love bigots,love ,love, love."lol Nope,you won`t hear that...

When confronted with the GOPs association with these wackiest of wackos in their midst,conservatives usually mention Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton(who are mainstream) as if that`s bad.lol

There`s nothing quite like this in the Democratic party.

If there was a real connection between Mr. Obama and Farrakhan,I`d want to fuck`n know about it.Damm straight I would !!I loath wacky bigots with power.


If you want to ignore McCain french kissing a known and un-repentant bigot,go right ahead.

The "we better not look into Haggee,because ~we~ in the lifestyle wouldn`t want to be looked into"notion,is silly.
We`re not bigots(well most of us aren`t).

So Bull,ya pay ya money and ya makes yer choice.

Just make an informed choice.

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RE: McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/4/2008 8:27:52 AM   
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I concure it was a distraction with Obama and it's a distraction with McCain.
You can't control who endorces you. The idea that endorcements go both drections automaticly is fatally flawed.





Not if you seek those endorcements and get them,as McCain did with Haggee.

That`s called a two way street and a mutual assosiation.

What are you missing here?



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RE: McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/4/2008 10:08:15 AM   
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Not if you seek those endorcements and get them,as McCain did with Haggee.
That`s called a two way street and a mutual assosiation.


How does it work with endorsements the candidates make? Specifically his church affiliation which he credited, as recently as yesterday during his 'Sermon on the Mount' referenced interview where he came out opposed to same sex marriage.

Nobody's responded to this point thus far, excepting for name calling and referencing the Carter years, with a answer to the question; would a person coming from this church affiliation having all "Black" referenced changed for "White" from its Mission Statement, be a viable national candidate?

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We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.


Senator Obama is still my choice for least reprehensible to vote for. Just yesterday he made more points with me when it was uncovered that he's against NAFTA publicly in Ohio, while meanwhile one of his top advisers was meeting with Canadian leaders to redefine "against" and let them know there were multiple definitions of 'against' depending upon the audience; in this case the Ohio factory workers who lost their jobs as a result of NAFTA.

Then there is his real estate dealings with political fundraiser Robert Kagan, currently on trial for extortion and corruption. I always believed that his Chicago political roots would be an asset. Having experience with good old fashioned back room deals struck by business men smoking good cigars and drinking will serve him well in Washington.

Of course, Senator Clinton called Mr. Rezko a "slum landlord" but my guess is few recognize how funny the accusation regarding profiting from inside information is coming from Senator Clinton. Unless you know someplace where $1,000 can be converted into $100,000 in one year; you have to give her credit for her investment savvy. That and her good friends on the Board at Tyson. And, unlike what would be the case for you and I, her $1,000 bought $12,000 of contracts.

However, Senator Obama is worth a vote for many other reasons. I don't fear his 'liberal' voting record. My research regarding his trusted advisors and PAC affiliations give me confidence that an Obama Administration won't have a negative impact on me or my business. On the political/social front, akin to President Nixon going to China, Senator Obama will best serve to rid this country of racially prejudicial legislation such as Affirmative Action, and Equal Employment Opportunity. These laws treat Blacks as woman as inferiors saying they need extra help to compete with males and whites. It perpetuates prejudice and Senator Obama can serve as a standard-bearer to stop it from corrupting another generation seeing these laws as evidence of their inferiority.  

I'm afraid that the Clinton Election Machine will derail Senator Obama today. The smear campaign seems to be taking effect. I expect him to lose both Texas and Ohio. The battle between him and Senator Clinton will go right through the convention.
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What are you missing here?
I don't know - you tell me. 

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RE: McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/4/2008 10:20:23 AM   
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I'm afraid that the Clinton Election Machine will derail Senator Obama today. The smear campaign seems to be taking effect. I expect him to loose both Texas and Ohio. The battle between him and Senator Clinton will go right through the convention.



He can lose both Texas and Ohio.  Neither of these states are winner take all states, and simply losing them by 51% to 49% (114 delegates to 112)  Simply means that Obama is still a huge number (larger than the number of his super delegates) of delegates ahead of Hillary.  She has to sweep both states handily to defeat Obama, and as I pointed out on other threads, the people voting for Obama in record numbers are neither polled, marketed to, or expected by her political apparatus.

While it is entirely possible that her scare tactics are working with the voting public (voted in last election, identify as a Democrat) which are polled, this election is being decided by a whole different set of people.

So I disagree, I still think Obama is going to handily defeat Hillary in both Texas and Ohio.

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RE: McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/4/2008 10:27:21 AM   
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So I disagree, I still think Obama is going to handily defeat Hillary in both Texas and Ohio.
I hope you are correct.

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RE: McCain`s own wacko fundie problem - 3/4/2008 10:30:09 AM   
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So I disagree, I still think Obama is going to handily defeat Hillary in both Texas and Ohio.
I hope you are correct.


Look at the exit poll statistics in all the other states...

I doubt the people in Ohio and Texas are significantly different as a statistical sample.

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