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Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 7:36:24 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		Ok- elephant  in the room. bravo to the entity that did not rubber stamp boeing!

Bravo   to the EU --co that can build a better mouse trap.

Tho I find it perplexing  that- any one can actually produce a widget in the US.  Why should we care?   I mean really?  Some cheap labor will get the work.

SO why the outrage?
The planes will be built where it is cheapest.   when corporatists- whine about "unfair" why should i care?  why should I beleive them?   Why do we presume an american can do it better? When dummy corps have shell companies to escape taxation....then expect US army to guard their assets, why should I care?

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 7:38:52 AM   
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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 7:43:00 AM   
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Because they know where your cellphones are.

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ROFLMAO!   Ron - you are a trip!  TY

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 7:54:40 AM   
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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 8:01:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/512158.html    the planes will be built in Mobile Alabama- the article failed to state that

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 8:20:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like a case of Boeing failing to change with the pace of modern needs. If it wasn't for rivals like Airbus the 747 would probably be around in another fifty years time and mostly unchanged.

Why change a winning design seems to be the ideology behind Boeing.

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 8:31:08 AM   
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Why do we presume an american can do it better?



Actually,  Boeing offshores a lot of their plane parts to places like China. Its not like Boeing will actually pay Americans to do the work, they just want the money.

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 8:43:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		You guys don't make any sense. You seem proud and happy that these planes are being offshored, because you hate American companies presumably for offshoring some of their labor - yet the article says that the planes will actiually be built in Alabama.

Wow.

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 8:52:08 AM   
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You guys don't make any sense. You seem proud and happy that these planes are being offshored, because you hate American companies presumably for offshoring some of their labor - yet the article says that the planes will actiually be built in Alabama.

Wow.


Yes, they will be assembled in Alabama, from parts manufactured in China.

Sinergy

p.s.  I simply think it is amusing that Boeing is whining about having lost a contract to build planes.  Apparently, one of the things large corporations and their lackeys, who often espouse the benefits of capitalism, cannot stand is competition and a lack of government subsidies and protections.


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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 8:57:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you have any evidence that their parts are being made in China, or is that just something you intuitively know, because you're so wonderfully gifted that way.

And you still make no sense. How can you ever claim that you want good paying jobs for Americans when you cheer every blow to an American company that has some of the best jobs that there are.

How do you reconcile that.


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Yes, they will be assembled in Alabama, from parts manufactured in China.

Sinergy

p.s.  I simply think it is amusing that Boeing is whining about having lost a contract to build planes.  Apparently, one of the things large corporations and their lackeys, who often espouse the benefits of capitalism, cannot stand is competition and a lack of government subsidies and protections.



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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 9:25:23 AM   
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let the market decide.

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 9:28:41 AM   
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Do you have any evidence that their parts are being made in China, or is that just something you intuitively know, because you're so wonderfully gifted that way.

And you still make no sense. How can you ever claim that you want good paying jobs for Americans when you cheer every blow to an American company that has some of the best jobs that there are.

How do you reconcile that.


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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
Yes, they will be assembled in Alabama, from parts manufactured in China.

Sinergy

p.s.  I simply think it is amusing that Boeing is whining about having lost a contract to build planes.  Apparently, one of the things large corporations and their lackeys, who often espouse the benefits of capitalism, cannot stand is competition and a lack of government subsidies and protections.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/29/AR2008022903544.html

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 9:46:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		The linked article still didnt say if the faulty parts were made in America or overseas. Although America may lose a few jobs through outsourcing some parts, i would suspect all the countires named as suppliers buy Boeings products. China have agreed to buy $5 billions worth of the new 787`s As shown in the link.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-08/09/content_467413.htm

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 9:50:36 AM   
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I just read the article in Yahoo news.

Boeing's marketing department trashed the deal because it is a joint venture between Northrop and the European company that builds the Airbus, but Boeing stands to lose the multi-billion dollar renewal contract of planes they built in the 1980s.

Planes are to be built in Europe, using parts and engines built in the US, and assembled into military planes back in the US.

[sarcasm]

Hard to imagine a large corporation deliberately lying to the public in order to queer a deal they lost.

[/sarcasm]

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 10:21:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, the military isn't a jobs program.  Its purpose is to kill people and break things.  As a US citizen I want the best product, and if Northrop Grumman/EADS can give the best "bang" for the buck, God bless them.

That they are assembling the aircraft in Mobile is a plus.

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 10:21:59 AM   
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--i suspect the PR campaigne will work.   Boeing will get the contract-

"Made is US"  doesnt legally mean the 50 states. it can mean the marriana islands where no work standards are in place.  "made in Pennsylvania" could mean made here- but  the what %?? 

meanwhile  the flag that flies at boeing- is probaly made in China....

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 10:46:03 AM   
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Do you have any evidence that their parts are being made in China, or is that just something you intuitively know, because you're so wonderfully gifted that way.

And you still make no sense. How can you ever claim that you want good paying jobs for Americans when you cheer every blow to an American company that has some of the best jobs that there are.

How do you reconcile that.


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Yes, they will be assembled in Alabama, from parts manufactured in China.

Sinergy

p.s.  I simply think it is amusing that Boeing is whining about having lost a contract to build planes.  Apparently, one of the things large corporations and their lackeys, who often espouse the benefits of capitalism, cannot stand is competition and a lack of government subsidies and protections.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/29/AR2008022903544.html



Cheers and jeers.

Cheer to pahunk- - for doing some heavy lifting.

Jeer to Sanity- -  for getting it bass ackwards...again.


Have a happy and safe flight, Sanity.

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 12:34:47 PM   
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The linked article still didnt say if the faulty parts were made in America or overseas. Although America may lose a few jobs through outsourcing some parts, i would suspect all the countires named as suppliers buy Boeings products. China have agreed to buy $5 billions worth of the new 787`s As shown in the link.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-08/09/content_467413.htm


I dont know the % made faulty -where.   Certainly managing a task this large does take management skills.

I guess Im weary of the PR campaighne that has started.   1st off- as usual that facts are sketchy and one sided. 2nd  it is time for a shake up- in that simply because a company is American doesnt automatically grant it , the winning contract.

it should be based on the merit of the work.   I understand that being loyal is something we want- but the tax payer must be loyal to the corporatist- but the corporatist does not return any loyalty...  so it is one sided.  a 1 sided freindship, marriage, heck even a kindergarten play mate, will not last.  that is basic human logic.

the question is- are the masses so aware and fed up enuff, to collectively dis-allow this un-erned loyalty?

Consider how marketing is done today. the co expects u to be held to a contract- yet same co- can change the terms at any time -for any reason, still demanding payment

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RE: Boeing- sour grapes? on EU - 3/1/2008 1:21:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The current tankers were designed in the 1950's and most built soon after.  I doubt the Air bus version will still by flying in 50+ years. 
I doubt this deal will get past congress.  A lot of people are not happy about sending something so vital to our defense overseas.  With the current state of world affairs example the US begging NATO for troops in Afghanistan a trade war would hurt the US far less than anyone else.  People forget in general, prior to WW2 the US was isolationist and is getting more so now.  Last but not least why does NATO exist now?  Let the EU pay for the total cost of its Defense and watch the Euro drop.




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