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GoddessGlory -> Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 11:33:53 AM)
These are some really random questions. I've been thinking bout stuff like this a lot. The relation between BDSM and the state of humanity. Do you believe in peace is a possibility for humanity, the absence of war, poverty, racism, major violence and discrimination? If so, what place do you believe BDSM have in possibility of world peace? Will BDSM be the same? (I ask this because a lot of fetishes and BDSM practices come from social taboo and roles. I believe if we lived in a more peaceful state most taboo ideas and imposed social roles will deminish therefore so-called fetishes won't have to be "fetishes" but normal sexual behavior based on your sexual development and taste. And our collective ideas of degradation, humiliation and punishment would probably change too.) Do you believe that humanity is a patriarchal? If so, do you think there will ever be a time when humans will become "matriarchal" or maybe a more equaliterian society? Do you believe in equality? Do you believe in natural sexual superiority? If so explain why. Does dominant mean superior? What is superiority? And what makes a person superior? Is the Queen bee in bee society superior, more important, better than, smarter than any other bees in the society? Are male lions superior to female lions? Are alpha wolves superior to other wolves? Are bonobo females superior to male bonobos? (I believe that there is no such things as "superiority" in the animal kingdom. I believe that each species live the best life it can for the greater good of the whole ecosystem, not only the species. Just because a strong animal is able to overbear or kill another doesn't mean it has superior or it has won). What's the different between a dominant person and a non-submissive person? Does there have to be degradation, humiliation and physical "abuse" in order for a person to dominate a slave (I'm thinking in terms of lets say American slavery and tactics that slave owners use to mentally enslave African slaves. Like rape, name calling, restrictions and whippings. What's the healthy difference between that and consensual slavery other than "abuse")? What makes a dominant person dominant over another? Does there have to be a subject to give power for a person to be dominant? Do you agree that some BDSM is based off of societial sexual guilt? If so, why should BDSM players encourage the guilt through play? Shouldn't we be combating guilt and taboo? For example, why should a female slave who loves to fuck and suck be called a slut just because society brands a woman who likes to fuck and suck a slut? Or why should men with small penises be made to feel worthless because of their small penises by a dominant woman through play? Is it healthy just because it is "consensual" and the slave likes it? Do you ever think BDSM practices will be of the norm and not just a dark art or alternative lifestyle? Do you think the rest of humanity would ever catch on to power play, power exchange, role reversal, consensual pain infliction and humilaition, practical slave owning, polyamorous relationships and so on? Do you feel that the BDSM community should have the responsibility of sharing what we know about power, control and sex with the rest of the world or should we keep the fun to ourselves? I can go on forever, but this is enough for now. Please answer what you can/want. And thank you!

RedMagic1 -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 11:39:55 AM)
I believe world peace is absolutely achievable, and I don't consider that a foolish, idealistic position. Fundamentally, my reason for believing this is that the vast majority of folks I have met in my life -- even ones with extreme prejudices -- were kind and nice to people who were directly in front of them in their personal lives. Most people are prejudiced against groups, not individuals. "When I say 'black' I don't mean you. You're different." Most people prefer peace, and are kind in person even when society has twisted them to hate. I consider BDSM a fundamentally peaceful act. Certainly for me, it is an expression of affection and love. You start with some of the deepest human emotions -- fear, insecurity, desire -- and transmute them into an act of beauty that advances Top and bottom farther than each could have gone individually. Kinksters are going to be around for a long, long time.

RCdc -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 12:06:03 PM)
quote: Do you believe in peace is a possibility for humanity, the absence of war, poverty, racism, major violence and discrimination? Peace is not possible. Neither are any of the other's. Nor do I believe it should be. quote: If so, what place do you believe BDSM have in possibility of world peace? Will BDSM be the same? Bdsm has a place in society, regardless of peace. Seeing as BDSM is different from every individual, it is never the same anyway. quote: (I ask this because a lot of fetishes and BDSM practices come from social taboo and roles. I believe if we lived in a more peaceful state most taboo ideas and imposed social roles will deminish therefore so-called fetishes won't have to be "fetishes" but normal sexual behavior based on your sexual development and taste. And our collective ideas of degradation, humiliation and punishment would probably change too.) Regardless of society norms, fetishes will always have a taboo somewhere - unless we all become the same robotic structure. quote: Do you believe that humanity is a patriarchal society? If so, do you think there will ever be a time when humans will become "matriarchal" or maybe a more equaliterian society? It depends on which society - there is no overall 'partriarchal' or 'matriarchal' society as each society is different. A equaliterian society would be catastrophic and boring. quote: Do you believe in equality? Question is too narrow - in what contest? quote: Do you believe in natural sexual superiority? If so explain why. No. quote: Does dominant mean superior? No. quote: What is superiority? And what makes a person superior? Superiority is a status of the moment. Nothing more. quote: Is the Queen bee in bee society superior, more important, better than, smarter than any other bees in the society? Are male lions superior to female lions? Are alpha wolves superior to other wolves? Are bonobo females superior to male bonobos? (I believe that there is no such things as "superiority" in the animal kingdom. I believe that each species live the best life it can for the greater good of the whole ecosystem, not only the species. Just because a strong animal is able to overbear or kill another doesn't mean it has superior or it has won). Superior? No. Vital and important? Yes. Then your question kind of weakens as you seem to not to understand the heiracy or status of animals in their environments. quote: What's the different between a dominant person and a non-submissive person? Question too vague, no context given. quote: Does there have to be degradation, humiliation and physical "abuse" in order for a person to dominate a slave (I'm thinking in terms of lets say American slavery and tactics that slave owners use to mentally enslave African slaves. Like rape, name calling, restrictions and whippings. What's the healthy difference between that and consensual slavery other than "abuse")? No there does not. Consensual slavery does not exist. Consent in itself is an oxymoron. quote: What makes a dominant person dominant over another? Submission. quote: Does there have to be a subject to give power for a person to be dominant? There will be an oppossing action. quote: Do you agree that some BDSM is based off of societial sexual guilt? Not really. quote: If so, why should BDSM players encourage the guilt through play? Shouldn't we be combating guilt and taboo? No we should not be trying to combat taboos. Guilt? That is down to individuals. quote: For example, why should a female slave who loves to fuck and suck be called a slut just because society brands a woman who likes to fuck and suck a slut? If it gets them off, or the individuals like it - who are you or I to deny them? I love being a slut at times, but not because of society, but because it rocks. quote: Or why should men with small penises be made to feel worthless because of their small penises by a dominant woman through play? Is it healthy just because it is "consensual" and the slave likes it? Again, up to the individuals. quote: Do you ever think BDSM practices will be of the norm and not just a dark art or alternative lifestyle? To some people it is a dark art. To me, it's not and it's just like and who I am. Some people like to believe it is dark and it rocks their world so what? I don't want to be the person who destroys anothers fantasy or desires or preferences. Some people may want to control the world with unity and uniformity and even 'peace'. It would destroy humanity. It is only 'not the norm' if you make it that way yourself. It's normal to me, right here and now. If it's not that for you - ask yourself why. quote: Do you think the rest of humanity would ever catch on to power play, power exchange, role reversal, consensual pain infliction and humilaition, practical slave owning, polyamorous relationships and so on? It already has? To say it hasn't, is a myth. quote: Do you feel that the BDSM community should have the responsibility of sharing what we know about power, control and sex with the rest of the world or should we keep the fun to ourselves? I don't believe in community. But as individuals? - we should share all our knowledge, but never force it on others. the.dark.

Shawn1066 -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 1:57:48 PM)
Is world peace possible? No. A camel has a better chance of walking through the eye of a needle Is there natural sexual superiority? No. Will there ever be a time when humanity is matriarchal? Possibly, but it wouldn't be any different. Matriarchy is Patriarchy in different clothing. DV's Fox

ownedgirlie -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 2:01:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessGlory Do you believe in peace is a possibility for humanity, the absence of war, poverty, racism, major violence and discrimination? I don't believe it is possible nor do I think it should be. OK I realize I just totally quoted .dark. on that, but hey, I feel that way. quote: If so, what place do you believe BDSM have in possibility of world peace? Will BDSM be the same? (I ask this because a lot of fetishes and BDSM practices come from social taboo and roles. I believe if we lived in a more peaceful state most taboo ideas and imposed social roles will deminish therefore so-called fetishes won't have to be "fetishes" but normal sexual behavior based on your sexual development and taste. And our collective ideas of degradation, humiliation and punishment would probably change too.) I believe society evolves and what was once viewed as abnormal becomes normal over time. Sometimes it is pushed that way and sometimes it is a natural occurance. I would imagine as society evolves, some of the BDSM practices people engage in would, too. If, say, kissing my Master's feet in a busy airport (as I've done) didn't raise eyebrows as something "different" or "odd" and were as common as watching friends hug, it wouldn't have the same effect that it does now. I suspect the lines of what is considered "fringe" will always merge outward over time. This frightens some people and excites others. quote: Do you believe that humanity is a patriarchal? If so, do you think there will ever be a time when humans will become "matriarchal" or maybe a more equaliterian society? No and no, and I believe having vast differences is a healthy thing. quote: Do you believe in equality? Equality in what? Between humans? Between humans and the animal world? Between sexes, races, religions? Within the confines of a relationship? quote: Do you believe in natural sexual superiority? If so explain why. I used to. I no longer do. It is a sexy concept but it is unrealistic. quote: Does dominant mean superior? Dominant in what context? A dominant gene? A dominant personality? And superior to what? quote: What is superiority? And what makes a person superior? Again I ask, superior to what? quote: Is the Queen bee in bee society superior, more important, better than, smarter than any other bees in the society? Are male lions superior to female lions? Are alpha wolves superior to other wolves? Are bonobo females superior to male bonobos? (I believe that there is no such things as "superiority" in the animal kingdom. I believe that each species live the best life it can for the greater good of the whole ecosystem, not only the species. Just because a strong animal is able to overbear or kill another doesn't mean it has superior or it has won). You list "superior", "more important," "better than" and "smarter than" synonymously. I disagree with that premise so I can't answer your question. quote: What's the different between a dominant person and a non-submissive person? One could write an entire thesis on this. In what context? My shoot-from-the-hip answer would say a dominant person carries a personality type that is inclined toward a preference of leadership, decision-making, directing, and being otherwise in control of people and/or situations. Whether or not they're any good at it is another subject. A non-submissive person may or may not be so inclined. quote: Does there have to be degradation, humiliation and physical "abuse" in order for a person to dominate a slave (I'm thinking in terms of lets say American slavery and tactics that slave owners use to mentally enslave African slaves. Like rape, name calling, restrictions and whippings. What's the healthy difference between that and consensual slavery other than "abuse")? No there does not. I wouldn't assume abuse does not exist in consensual slavery, nor would I use it as a defining line. There are slaves who exist as slaves by their own accord and slaves who do not.. quote: What makes a dominant person dominant over another? Does there have to be a subject to give power for a person to be dominant? A dominant person can only dominate one who submits to him/her. Whether or not a subject exists does not negate a dominant personality, however. quote: Do you agree that some BDSM is based off of societial sexual guilt? If so, why should BDSM players encourage the guilt through play? Shouldn't we be combating guilt and taboo? For example, why should a female slave who loves to fuck and suck be called a slut just because society brands a woman who likes to fuck and suck a slut? Or why should men with small penises be made to feel worthless because of their small penises by a dominant woman through play? Is it healthy just because it is "consensual" and the slave likes it? BDSM is based on the preferences of those who engage in it. Such preferences are unique to the person who has them. Society might shape such preferences...or not. Why should we combat guilt and taboo? No one can "make" another feel a certain way unless they are given such power to do so. quote: Do you ever think BDSM practices will be of the norm and not just a dark art or alternative lifestyle? Probably. quote: Do you think the rest of humanity would ever catch on to power play, power exchange, role reversal, consensual pain infliction and humilaition, practical slave owning, polyamorous relationships and so on? Some will, some won't. Some people still have trouble with the concept of being gay. In some parts of the world, "inter-racial relationships" are still taboo. quote: Do you feel that the BDSM community should have the responsibility of sharing what we know about power, control and sex with the rest of the world or should we keep the fun to ourselves? I have a personal responsibility to be true to myself and live according to my personal beliefs. I am bar far a trend-setter, I can only live as the person I am. If the way I live my life has an affect, positive or negative, on what those around me think of BDSM or any other part of my life, than it is a natural occurance and as it should be. I am not an evangalist or apologetic for any particular cause. quote: I can go on forever, but this is enough for now. Please answer what you can/want. Whew, I made it to the end!

MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 2:18:48 PM)
I find myself concurring with virtually every point made by Dark. All I can add is that "equality" (except in the eyes of the law sense, or in the eyes of God sense) is meaningless. I will never equal Michael Jordan, and I'm not going to waste my time trying. As far as peace, well, coming from a Judeo-Christian perseptive, yes, I expect peace to come along with the "new heaven and earth," but lots of bad stuff comes first for which I'm neither holding my breath nor to which I'm looking forward. As far as peace (defined by international cooperation and absence of war), I think it a noble goal but I would never sacrifice freedom for peace. You know, the whole "blood of tyrants and patriots" thing. Edited for grammar.

Kana -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 3:20:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessGlory These are some really random questions. I've been thinking bout stuff like this a lot. The relation between BDSM and the state of humanity. Do you believe in peace is a possibility for humanity, the absence of war, poverty, racism, major violence and discrimination? Not even kinda sorta maybe. Read Hobbes, or if you don't feel like doing the tough sledding, get Lord of the Flies. If so, what place do you believe BDSM have in possibility of world peace? Will BDSM be the same? (I ask this because a lot of fetishes and BDSM practices come from social taboo and roles. I believe if we lived in a more peaceful state most taboo ideas and imposed social roles will deminish therefore so-called fetishes won't have to be "fetishes" but normal sexual behavior based on your sexual development and taste. And our collective ideas of degradation, humiliation and punishment would probably change too.) Hmm thats a question based on some pretty thin presumptions , what lawyers call a slippery slope argument. I dont care, all I care about is what affects me and mine, not some theoretical mumbo jumbo.The Gor folks may disagree. Do you believe that humanity is a patriarchal? If so, do you think there will ever be a time when humans will become "matriarchal" or maybe a more equaliterian society? No, maybe, but never equalitarian. Read John Rawls. We are born into unequal situations with unequal talents, its just the way it is. Do you believe in equality? Nope.I believe in meritocracy but that all people should have some basic rights as people. I also think no matter what, there will always exists some people who seek to take those rights by force if required.Hence the development of society. Do you believe in natural sexual superiority? If so explain why. No Does dominant mean superior? No What is superiority? And what makes a person superior? Depends on the situation, I would take Mike Tyson over Steven Hawkins in a boxing match but not in a math contest. Is the Queen bee in bee society superior, more important, better than, smarter than any other bees in the society? Are male lions superior to female lions? Are alpha wolves superior to other wolves? Are bonobo females superior to male bonobos? (I believe that there is no such things as "superiority" in the animal kingdom. I believe that each species live the best life it can for the greater good of the whole ecosystem, not only the species. Just because a strong animal is able to overbear or kill another doesn't mean it has superior or it has won). Tell it to all the extinct species.According to Darwin, they may not be inferior but they sure failed the fitness test.Nice idea, flawed in reality. What's the different between a dominant person and a non-submissive person? One submits. Does there have to be degradation, humiliation and physical "abuse" in order for a person to dominate a slave (I'm thinking in terms of lets say American slavery and tactics that slave owners use to mentally enslave African slaves. Like rape, name calling, restrictions and whippings. What's the healthy difference between that and consensual slavery other than "abuse")? No, see roman slavery where many people, including leading intellectuals sold themselves into slavery so that they could eventually become roman citizens. What makes a dominant person dominant over another? Does there have to be a subject to give power for a person to be dominant? No. Do you agree that some BDSM is based off of societial sexual guilt? If so, why should BDSM players encourage the guilt through play? Shouldn't we be combating guilt and taboo? For example, why should a female slave who loves to fuck and suck be called a slut just because society brands a woman who likes to fuck and suck a slut? Or why should men with small penises be made to feel worthless because of their small penises by a dominant woman through play? Is it healthy just because it is "consensual" and the slave likes it? See slippery slope comment above. Do you ever think BDSM practices will be of the norm and not just a dark art or alternative lifestyle? No.And I don't know if its a dark art or not. In judeo christian western culture certain sexual practices are deemed unaceptable and thus driven behind closed doors. But to say that an open sexual society has not a cannot exist is ludicrous, I just dont see it happening. It goes against the basic human nature of declaring ones own kind, type, color, government, race, sex as superior. Do you think the rest of humanity would ever catch on to power play, power exchange, role reversal, consensual pain infliction and humilaition, practical slave owning, polyamorous relationships and so on? Depends on the society Do you feel that the BDSM community should have the responsibility of sharing what we know about power, control and sex with the rest of the world or should we keep the fun to ourselves? I would argue that we would do a whole lot better learning about the use of power from those who have practiced it over the ages.Want to learn about the use of power, read The Prince, read Dworkin, read Ceaser. I think its fairly arrogant to assume we have a better idea how to use power than they do. I can go on forever, but this is enough for now. Please answer what you can/want. And thank you!

GoddessGlory -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 3:20:44 PM)
For all of the folk who can't understand some of the "vague" questions like "do you believe in equality" and " Does dominant mean superior?" I mean in the context of what has been said before and after the question. I am talking about equality amongst humans are we equals, are you equal to a convict, murderer, a pastor, the president, your master, your submissive?

GoddessGlory -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 3:31:22 PM)
I have to disagree with Kana's belief that extinct species have "failed" how so? They have done their time, they have all had a indirect hand in our existence, we learn from them and they are instrumental in our evolution, our survival and success as a species. So how have they failed? To me life isn't a game of winning or losing, top or bottom, right or left, up or down, black or white it's about what's in the middle ground, the gradient and all of the possiblities inbetween, and if you look at the vastness of the universe, there are infinite possibilities. With that being said, I believe peace is possible. We just have to physically work on it.

RCdc -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 3:32:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessGlory For all of the folk who can't understand some of the "vague" questions like "do you believe in equality" and " Does dominant mean superior?" I mean in the context of what has been said before and after the question. I am talking about equality amongst humans are we equals, are you equal to a convict, murderer, a pastor, the president, your master, your submissive? No human is equal. Yet no one is ever less than another. the.dark.

RCdc -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 3:35:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessGlory With that being said, I believe peace is possible. We just have to physically work on it. Is peace the - or your - ultimate goal? the.dark.

Leatherist -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 3:37:45 PM)
A one world government will make peace mandatory. Humans are still genetically programmed to seek pole postions. Superiority is always tied to ability and circumstance. Some of us DO happen to be superior to others. I have more ability than a brain dead vegetable in a nursing home. Insects in hives are cooperative, and the queen is as much a reproductive slaves to her children as they are to her. Actual freedom lies in independence.

Kana -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 3:42:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessGlory I have to disagree with Kana's belief that extinct species have "failed" how so? They have done their time, they have all had a indirect hand in our existence, we learn from them and they are instrumental in our evolution, our survival and success as a species. So how have they failed? Don't misquote me by taking what I said out of context. I didn't say any species failed, I said they failed the test of being the fittest, by Darwinistic standards. As for contributing to our evolution and our survival, I have serious doubts that the dodo contributed anything towards humanities evolution, survival or success as a species. Heck, I have doubts as to what exactly the duck-billed platypus has done for us. As for peace being possible, sure it may be. But there are ages and ages of philosohy devoted to that simple question and you know what, after all that thinking by some of the finest minds ever nothing has been achieved. We live in the bloodiest era in the history of mankind. The basic fact is that the one of the things humans have done best is come up with quicker, faster more effecient ways to kill each other.

Paulsgirl -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 3:44:44 PM)
Wow so many questions but you are most welcome as they are fabulous questions to answer and welcome to collarme....i have answered some of youe questions (it's late and i am tired) and answered them inside your box...... quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessGlory (I ask this because a lot of fetishes and BDSM practices come from social taboo and roles. I believe if we lived in a more peaceful state most taboo ideas and imposed social roles will deminish therefore so-called fetishes won't have to be "fetishes" but normal sexual behavior based on your sexual development and taste. And our collective ideas of degradation, humiliation and punishment would probably change too.) I disagree because of your defintion or use of taboo....i do not think most bdsm practices are taboo....as taboo by definition will always remain taboo and it is on a slightly different level of 'non acceptability' than bdsm. For example i feel incest and peadophilia are taboo and so is pre-meditative murder and will always remain so. Do you believe that humanity is a patriarchal? If so, do you think there will ever be a time when humans will become "matriarchal" or maybe a more equaliterian society? No i do not believe society as a whole is patriarchial (but try posting this on the Gorean forum.....) and that certain parts of society are and in the first world it is a mediated fantasy that it is such. In poorer third world countries woman are culturally strong, run the market places, carry and cook and work. Patriarchy and matriarchy are culture bound systems. i also personally believe that women are able to multi-task better, live longer and have hardier personalities than men by stint of innate evoution. i am a post modernist slave as i get most of my power from a power exchange with my Master, whom i respect above all others. No contradiction in my head that my strength comes from my abilities to serve. Do you believe in equality? Yes until my dying day. i also believe that power exchange rather than power over (top down decision making) is the way to true equality. Think about it; even a democracy, or a board of Directors, or a Jury has a casting vote or a majority rule. Do you believe in natural sexual superiority? If so explain why. Sexuality is natural. What will out, will out. It's a force that if suppressed will erupt anyways. Does dominant mean superior? i supposed i am biased: but i know that the power to say no lies with the submissive unless the submissive chooses to have no limits. That's a power paradox that's all. What is superiority? And what makes a person superior? Whatever i consider to make a person superior is just a judgement in the same way that what i believe would make a person inferor. Respect is what i feel for anther rather than a sense of inferiority to them. Do you agree that some BDSM is based off of societial sexual guilt? If so, why should BDSM players encourage the guilt through play? No: bdsm is based on suspension of guilt. Having let go of most of both my guilt and shame it is fun to put it back in and build it back into play. i am so 'ashamed' and humiliated when forced to confess that which i feel no shame about. Do you ever think BDSM practices will be of the norm and not just a dark art or alternative lifestyle? No. Today's newspapers are tomorrow's fish and chip wrappers. We will and are co=opting bdsm at a fair rate of knots. It's the best form of global warming...global hotting up???? What is in the closet now will be in the shops tomorrow. Do you feel that the BDSM community should have the responsibility of sharing what we know about power, control and sex with the rest of the world or should we keep the fun to ourselves? i can just about take responsinility for confessing my needs to Master.....i cannot take on the rest of the World. Good questions.....rest break.....please

Paulsgirl -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 3:45:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist Humans are still genetically programmed to seek pole postions. pole dancing? [:D]

Paulsgirl -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 3:47:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessGlory For all of the folk who can't understand some of the "vague" questions like "do you believe in equality" and " Does dominant mean superior?" I mean in the context of what has been said before and after the question. I am talking about equality amongst humans are we equals, are you equal to a convict, murderer, a pastor, the president, your master, your submissive? No human is equal. Yet no one is ever less than another. the.dark. no man is an island entire and whole unto himself (no bender bias intended this time round.......)

ownedgirlie -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 4:07:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessGlory For all of the folk who can't understand some of the "vague" questions like "do you believe in equality" and " Does dominant mean superior?" I mean in the context of what has been said before and after the question. I am talking about equality amongst humans are we equals, are you equal to a convict, murderer, a pastor, the president, your master, your submissive? It's not that we "can't" understand them; it is that more clarity was required in order to avoid writing a dissertation-type of response. We took the time to respond to your multitude of questions; please do not insult us for stating the need for clarity. On that note, I do not think equality exists amongst humans. As my Dad used to repeat, "We're all equal. Some of us are more equal than others." [8D] Equality is a nice premise but it does not exist. Whether or not it should exist requires more consideration. There's a good argument for "All men are created equal" and I am certain a proponent of equal rights. But I'm not sure that's what you're looking for. I am not equal to my Master. My dominant Master is superior to me.

GoddessGlory -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 4:14:36 PM)
Ownedgirlie, that wasn't meant to be an insult, sorry you took it that way. I read it again, and don't see how it could have been taken as that. Again, my apologies This is a forum, I just wanted to know how you felt about subjects like these. Folk fight for "equality" everyday, are they fighting for something that doesn't exist? People are concerned about the possibility of peace all the time, are they concerned for nothing? I just wanted to know where that fit in with the BDSM community. I'm not looking for right answers, I not trying to prove anything, I just want people to think, chat it up, tell me what they think, learn and grow. And Kana, the dodo did teach us something. It awakened humanity to the idea of extinction (with the dodo being the poster child fro extinction). They helped us notice how our existence effects the environment and species around us. Every extinct species had a place in a delicate eco-system and their disappearance upsets that eco-system in someway (no matter how small) and make be influencing changes (evolution) in other species which may have a direct connection to us in the future. That's just the way I see it.

GoddessGlory -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 4:20:16 PM)
I guess in a way people define equality in different ways. I don't believe equal means the same, I am NOT the same as you. But do I deserve the same respect as from you as say a King? Why not? Is the King more important than me, smarter than me, more deserving than me, stronger than me? Who says so? So does this mean the King should eat while his citizens go hungry just because he is The King? These can be rhetorical questions cause I know we all have our own views. I'm just curious of how people who practice power exchange feel about it.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Equality, Peace, Matriarchy and BDSM (2/29/2008 4:28:35 PM)
They are only rhetorical questions if you never put your beliefs into action. I do. I could do more. If you're interested in contacts to someplace you could do volunteer work in Chicago to improve the conditions of the low income, feel free to message me on the other side. A friend of mine runs an organization there. To answer your question about "equality": as long as everyone in the group is working toward the same goal, it doesn't really matter who makes the final decision. Somebody has to. Inequality arises when the party making the decision has a fundamentally different interest from the people being decided about. If Dom and sub are both in love and working toward the improvement of their relationship in everything they do, they are equal partners, no matter how the power is exchanged. The King who starves his subjects for his own benefit -- example of inequality.

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