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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 5:19:15 AM   
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i mixed  up 3 eggs- i put alot of cinnimen- raisens, some poppy seeds in.

as far as germs-  clean out jug w bleach. 

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 5:54:43 AM   
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Doll, nothing wrong with what you're doing, keeping an ete out for this, but I must express one objection.

Fat free.

Realize this, fat in the diet does not necessarily become fat in the body. Also the presence of fat is required for the normal absorption of certain essential nutrients. Eliminating fat from the diet will not eliminate fat from the body, it simply does not work that way.

You should get full milk, not nonfat. There is a reason that whole milk costs four times as much, a VERY good reason. If you really don't like whole milk and prefer the whit water, mix your own. Add your own water to whole milk.

Use real butter, but less of it. If you have to have sugar use dark brown sugar, but if you can make the switch to honey that is even better.

If you are not vegetarian I assume there is some meat in your freezer. Make a minimum of 20% of your diet meat, unless you don't eat meat. If you don't eat meat you need to supplement yourself in many ways.

Whether vegan, vegetarian or not, I recommend nuts. Planter's mixed nuts do not have any hydrogonated oils in them. Oh, to mention that, no margarine, no Crisco, no a bunch of other things. Unless you want to die a slow death.

If you don't eat meat I would recommend heavy mineral supplements, forget vitamins, you don't need them, you need the minerals. Nuts, spices, things like that. Not just peanuts, I mean alot of different kinds of nuts, don't pick and choose, just grab a handful. Spices, well I certainly do not mean table salt here. In fact if you use regular table salt now I say stop. Start using MrsDash. There are quite a few varieties now and even though they contain no salt, they taste like they do.

And if you need salt, get the unrefined kind. That stuff on the grocery shelf is poison. The stuff that syas "Do not leave open or clumping will occur". THAT is what you want. Why, because the exact same additive that keeps it from clumping keeps it from being absorbed properly by your body. I stopped using standard table salt a long time ago and I am not sorry. I am getting to the point now that even if I am going to boil something and want to put salt in the pot, it is my five dollar a pound seasalt. It costs three times that much now. That is because they know some people know what it can do for them.

I hope I did not drag you into some sort of muck, I am trying to be helpful. I know I'm off the beaten path. But the crux of what I am saying is to get the real stuff for yourself, like in the case of the milk. You can add your own water to it, and really, there is no such thing as nonfat milk. Milk by definition has fat in it.

Here's another reason they call me the Terminator and it has nothing to do with physical strength. Y'know the packaging of "milk", whether it is real milk, fake milk, or iced tea for that matter is the same. The only real difference is the color of the cap. Of course you can let iced tea out, whereas milk you have to keep cold. but that is not the point.

Point is do the math. I can and did. Regular milk is 3.5%, so compare the price of 1%. Note that all packaging costs are the same, and it all has to be fridged of course. It seems that the default is 2% now with alot of people. With the math I determined that one could just dilute their own whole milk with water and could break even at least, and if that is not true anymore it proves my point. They are selling something out of it.

With anything other than whole milk they are duping you, because they are no doubt selling the best components of it. Otherwise they would tell you to go mix it with water. But instead they package it, and take less money for it.

Lofat, nofat, it is drummed into your head. Well let me back up a bit for those who don't get it. Ever hear of vitamins ? If you even believe the vitamin theory as they now have it, let me clue you in, vitamins A, D, E and K can't be absorbed in the absence of fat.

If you study further you find that the human body actually breaks down and remanufactures any and all vitamins from what you eat. Upon further investigation I found that there are flaws in the way they conduct research. Ask for a thread on that and I will oblige. But not right now.

Vitamin is an old word, it's roots are vita which means life, and min, which is the root of the English word mineral.

All this said, which was probably not expected, I have formed a basic opinion about this. I have not given you all the evidence, nor my modifications to the plan, but it is in my mind. And I fear it will work. (I'll splian that upon request)

What worked a hundred tears ago. Maybe a bit more. Before hydrogenation, there would be no pie crusts on the shelf. They used lard. Lard sounds like a nasty thing but it is not. it is simply animal fat, which has been rended. Even with NYC's new law, I am pretty sure it is legal to use lard there.

My Dad was in the store not too long ago after we had a discussion about this transfat thing. He is 69 and has time on his hands. He read some labels and brought back some interesting info. There is apparently lard on the shelf that is better than almost anything when it comes to fats. I'll have to ask him when I see him about that again. At 69 it's a good thing to jog his memory anyway.

Your grocery list isn't so bad, but with nonfat dairy products you might as well just mix some white paint with water. It doesn't take much.

You said "Need help with my shopping list", and actually I did my best, but it is possible that now you are in a quandry about it. If that's the case, sorry.

Be well. Get some meat ! (or alot of nuts and spices)

T

T,  this is great advie.  Consider it a complement that- this direct real life ap advice is worth money. [I should pay you]

Let me ask-  I use sugar for purposes of coffee. lately I  drink  chocalate flavor coffee.
how does brown  sugar absorb into the coffee?  honey woulld be hard.
on the spice thing.  watch out for fake spices.  MSG, salt, flavor enhancer isnt do-able.


on the milk- i had been buying 1/2 gal whole 1/2 2%.  now i know. i will buy whole.  -i do look for the freshest one and one not exposed to light.
a bullk food store is cool.  pumpkin seeds- sunflower seeds- poppy and sesume.
this is why color care is important-if the colon wrecks eating seeds is not an option.  oh- garlic and i dont mean spice or from a jjar. i mean the clove- has been good for me. it helps clean out the gunk.

if one has a poor diet the body sweat is worse.   the forehead is a good place to guage skin health.


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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 6:03:05 AM   
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Probiotic drinks - one for every day to aid your digestive system.

Also, tofu, soy sauce, egg noodles and nuts. Get some fresh tomatoes/aubergine, also some pulses. Make homemade soups, very few cals, but so nutritious
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ORIGINAL: dollparts85
I'm going grocery shopping tomorrow and need healthy food ideas of what to get! So far I have:

1% cottage cheese
plain non fat organic yogurt
pineapple
veggie burgers (boca original vegan kind)
two bags frozen mixed fruit
string cheese (yes I know it's a lot of fat but I like it)
quinoa flakes (like oatmeal but healthier,and a complete protein b/c it's made from quinoa)
Special K Protein Plus
fat free milk
frozen brussle sprouts
brozen broccoli
whole grain bread (whatever is cheapest but has several different grains in it)
bottled water
barley


I can't think of what else! hmmm...


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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 8:23:51 AM   
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Quick aside w/hunky here (and don't get fresh)

This is on a public board for a reason. So I shall add this little addendum.

I would never buy anything but full whole milk, that is because I know business.

They did the public a great disservice when they started refining salt for table use. If you remember what the root of the word 'salary' is, and remember the term "Worth his salt", and "Salt of the Earth" these are little glimpses into what the value of real salt used to be.

When mankind moved from being "hunter/gatherers" who were mainly nomadic, into agrarian societies the same land got farmed over and over. Some of these societies moved on once the land was played out. Modern day crop rotation and fertilizing is just a bandaid on a problem that was solved millenia ago. Salt.

Unrefined salt has a whole bunch of minerals in it. Added to the diet in the proper proportion it would supply vital minerals (note the word vitamin sneaking into that phrase) and people could settle and still be healthy. People were paid in salt, not in diamonds or gold, because that is back when people knew what matters. Wars have been fought for fertile soil, but eventually that gets depleted. Salt used to be traded like money, and real salt is indeed worth more than money. But now they make more money on what they take out of the salt than they make on what reaches your kitchen table.

I suspect they are doing the same thing with the milk. If they found a way to extract the most important nutrients out of it (some of which are fat soluble) they are probably selling it to companies producing supplement tablets or enhancements for animal feed. That means if you want 1.75% milk and you mix 3.5% half and half with water, I bet you have a healthier product.

Interesting to note, they take stuff out, and sell it to us seperately. The example of salt is prime. The minerals they refine from salt are of course used in gasoline additives and all sorts of things, but they are also sold to companies that make mineral supplements. What a hoot, you would be better off if they just left it alone.

My specific credo on foods and the like is such, do what worked a hundred, or if possible, a thousand years ago. I know if it didn't work I would not be here.

Hunky, just slip the money under the door. It is Friday and a twelvepack of beer is up over ten bucks now. And yes, as terrible as some see it, beer is a natural product, especially compared to what many eat these days. Beer is not a modern invention. So slip me a ten under the door. When we put the carpet in we cut off the bottom of the door enough, specifically to allow money to pass.

You know you can freeze milk, but it takes it about a week to thaw all the way. Once all the ice is melted you leave it alone, but shake it every day. after that time it is as good as new. I have a gallon in the freezer, been there for years. I wonder what would be found different if I were to send it to a lab with a sample of brand new milk ?

And I will never sell my salt. At around five bucks a pound I practically stole it, I suspect it costs three times as much now. But that is not the point, while I give some away to family and chosen family, none of it is for sale. When I bought it my attitude was "Good, I am trading $250 for something of value".

It is good to see that at least some people are paying real attention to what they take into their body. Seeing past that ridiculous food pyramid and the stupid scare stories. The establishment is either unwilling or unable to give us the proper information, so we must find it on our own. That is a rotten shame, but it is reality.

Learn how to play real poker with real money and learn what human nature truly is. They might give you some good advice, but in the real game you are on your own. In fact when the real game comes along they are not supposed to give you good advice. Food and drug companies are keeping a poker face, when they should be grinning about how they got over on the people and got rich in the process. They are better players than most.

But they are not better than me. You hear the story about pig farms "We use everything but the snout". Well they do use the snout.

Tell you what, I have changed my opinion on hotdogs and bologna. Years ago I heard "If you knew what was in it you would never eat it". True, you are eating snout, eyeballs, BALLS, who knows what else. Put it this way, everything you do not see on the shelf for sale is in the hotdogs.

For years I considered this gross, but I have changed my stance on that. Gross as it may be, what they have done is to make some things we need in our bodies pallatable by grinding the living shit out of it.

In fact I think I'll have some hotdogs soon, fried, or dare I say it grilled ? Grilled when we have six inches of snow out there ? I guess I might have to put my shoes on. At least they cook fast.

T

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 8:34:59 AM   
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I thought I read in another thread that you are seeing a nutritionist.. wouldnt they be the best source of advice for your shopping list ?????

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 9:39:06 AM   
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I just read an entire book on nutrition. Here is what I learned.

All breads must be whole weat but whole grains are better.
Lots of fruits and lots of vegetables are very healthy but stay away from starchy vegetables such as corn.
Mushrooms have no calories and no fat.
Pickles are great because they barely have any calories.
Proteins and pasts are healthier and make you feel fuller longer.
Eggs are great for protein but have them in moderation.
Cook with nonfat cooking spray and leave out the butter or margarine.
If you must use margarine opt for the whipped type because it is made with water and is healthier.
Make sure you have dairy but go for low fat yogurts and cheeses preferably 1 percent milk fat to nonfat.
Lean cuts of meat are very good but stay away from beef as it tends to be more fatty.
There are certain types of fish that are very healthy for you in small portions and contain omega 3 fatty acids which are very good for your heart.
All pastas should be whole grain pastas.
Salads with low fat to nonfat dressing.
Ideally at your current weight you should start at a 1500 calorie diet and when you reach 180 change it to 1200. If you go too low your body will think it is starving, slow your metabolism down, and put on extra fat.
Veggie burgers and veggie sausages and veggie bacon are good in moderation.
Ideally you should have three very small meals and three small snacks a day to keep up and increase your metabolism. Snacks being small peices of fruit, yogurt, and cottage cheeses. All low fat of course.
Serving sizes vary so make sure to read the packages as some will have 3 servings to a package.
There is nothing wrong with having a tasty snack once in a while, something chocolaty or sweet but make sure you don't have it very often and that it is small.
Sugar free gums and candies are good once in a while.
Make sure you take a really good multi vitamin once per day with a meal as vitamins absorb better with food.
Always seek foods that have labels of low sodium and/or low sugar.
Drink only diet sodas or diet drinks with no calories and fat and low sugar content.
Drink enough water.
Low sodium V8 is very healthy as well as low sugar fruit juices.
To make water more interesting you can drop peices of colorful fruit in it like strawberries.
Cut back on salt intake. It makes you retain water.
Don't fry food. Steam it and/or bake or grill it.
Low sodium soy sauce makes for good flavoring if you like salty stuff.
Stay away from most lunch meats as they are all also very fatty.

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 9:41:13 AM   
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If you must use margarine opt for the whipped type because it is made with water and is healthier.

dont use margarine for anything. ever. plainly unhealthy. solid trans fat.
pickles are usually full of salt. 

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 9:46:49 AM   
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yes that is true thats why i said 'if you must'

and you still have to have a snack while your dieting, and thats why i suggested pickles because at least they are very low calorie and no fat...at least the ones i got..also i didint mean large huge fat ones..i meant the tiny little samwich pickles.

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 11:58:28 AM   
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If you don't like those foods, then you won't be able to follow that diet. And then you'll feel worse about yourself.

Just eat what you normally like to eat. If you like a steak for dinner, buy a small one or cut one in halves or thirds and freeze the other part. Add two vegetables instead of one. Have a bowl of soup first. Buy fruit for snacks. Or a low fat fruit yogurt if you like it.

Buy frozen fruit and add to the plain yogurt with a teaspoon of honey. Get whole grain crackers to eat with the cheese and cut up an apple to go with it.

Basically, eat a healthy and balanced meal. No one food is automatically bad or good. Like life, most stuff falls in the gray category. Drink a lot of water, always nice with a slice of lemon.

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 12:08:44 PM   
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quote:

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 1:34:20 PM   
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this is what I normally eat...I'm a big fan of milk products LOL it seems to be one of the only things that doesn't bother my stomach. Like meat seems to be really difficult for my stomach to digest...hurts really bad...and I can't really afford to take digestive enzymes with every meal.

My nutritionist told me to use fat free milk (I generally buy organic unless I'm low on cash) she said it's highest in protein...though I haven't really checked the labels. I've always used fat free, just tastes better. Whole milk is so thick and gross...

I measure or weigh all my food so I know I have servings, generally lately I just weigh b/c its easier to get an exact amount, measuring can give you a few grams over the serving size...

I don't use artifical sweeteners. I don't drink diet soda or anything. It's horrible for you.

I do eat pickles at times, like when I'm purging my sodium levels will get low and I will get cramping in my legs and feet...so I eat some cantaloupe and something salty, usually pickles, and drink lots of water. If that doesn't work, I have to force myself to drink tonic water LOL nasty...but it generally works. But hopefully that will never happen again. I'm trying so hard to be healthy.

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 1:37:43 PM   
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oh and I try to stay away from nuts b/c I tend to binge on them and eat the entire bag or wahtever in a day or two LOL I love them so much..but they have so many calories...and they're very addictive...

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 1:50:11 PM   
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But did you get the chocolate and beer?



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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 2:43:58 PM   
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no chocolate...and I don't drink :P

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 2:58:39 PM   
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Ah, well...like Madame Onze might say, it all gets straightened out with a little Moderation.

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 2/29/2008 8:58:48 PM   
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Hi there!
just want to  make one suggestion....i have been told (by nutritionists) that non-fat  milk is higher in calcium (especially important for women)
Oh, and one more thing....regarding protein and nuts...pistachios have the best balance between protein and fat
Just my 2 cents
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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 3/1/2008 7:16:25 AM   
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http://www.alkaline.org/alkaline_water.htm   is there any truth to the alkali ?

T, makes a great point about poker.

alcohol doesnt excite me...i can take it or leave it.
tho a bought some hard stuff in Chicago since it was banned in PA. 

ground turkey burger.  now im thinking how possible it is to fake the meat.  fillers.  that arent necessarily fat

i like my coffee.


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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 3/1/2008 7:18:24 AM   
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quote:

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oh and I try to stay away from nuts b/c I tend to binge on them and eat the entire bag or wahtever in a day or two LOL I love them so much..but they have so many calories...and they're very addictive...

I returned some nuts to aldis cos  they were too salty.   a new outlet store opened nearby...  macadamia nuts .75 for 6 oz.  most here in town have no idea what they are. so i bought them... hehe

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 3/1/2008 7:20:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: summerblossom

I just read an entire book on nutrition. Here is what I learned.

All breads must be whole weat but whole grains are better.
Lots of fruits and lots of vegetables are very healthy but stay away from starchy vegetables such as corn.
Mushrooms have no calories and no fat.
Pickles are great because they barely have any calories.
Proteins and pasts are healthier and make you feel fuller longer.
Eggs are great for protein but have them in moderation.
Cook with nonfat cooking spray and leave out the butter or margarine.
If you must use margarine opt for the whipped type because it is made with water and is healthier.
Make sure you have dairy but go for low fat yogurts and cheeses preferably 1 percent milk fat to nonfat.
Lean cuts of meat are very good but stay away from beef as it tends to be more fatty.
There are certain types of fish that are very healthy for you in small portions and contain omega 3 fatty acids which are very good for your heart.
All pastas should be whole grain pastas.
Salads with low fat to nonfat dressing.
Ideally at your current weight you should start at a 1500 calorie diet and when you reach 180 change it to 1200. If you go too low your body will think it is starving, slow your metabolism down, and put on extra fat.
Veggie burgers and veggie sausages and veggie bacon are good in moderation.
Ideally you should have three very small meals and three small snacks a day to keep up and increase your metabolism. Snacks being small peices of fruit, yogurt, and cottage cheeses. All low fat of course.
Serving sizes vary so make sure to read the packages as some will have 3 servings to a package.
There is nothing wrong with having a tasty snack once in a while, something chocolaty or sweet but make sure you don't have it very often and that it is small.
Sugar free gums and candies are good once in a while.
Make sure you take a really good multi vitamin once per day with a meal as vitamins absorb better with food.
Always seek foods that have labels of low sodium and/or low sugar.
Drink only diet sodas or diet drinks with no calories and fat and low sugar content.
Drink enough water.
Low sodium V8 is very healthy as well as low sugar fruit juices.
To make water more interesting you can drop peices of colorful fruit in it like strawberries.
Cut back on salt intake. It makes you retain water.
Don't fry food. Steam it and/or bake or grill it.
Low sodium soy sauce makes for good flavoring if you like salty stuff.
Stay away from most lunch meats as they are all also very fatty.


some good advice!!!   :-)

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RE: Need help with my shopping list for tomorrow! - 3/1/2008 9:07:22 AM   
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Mushrooms do have calories btw...they are generally labeled in the "negative calorie food" list...but it's a bunch of crap...everything has calories, cept water. And nutritional labels can be off as much as 20% legally...anything under 5 calories, generally they will put as zero calories...generally, even things pre-packaged...will be off on the weight. Like they may say it's one serving and say 30 g but really its like 34 g or something.

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