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LadyEllen -> Mapping the Muslims.......... (2/28/2008 11:52:05 AM)

The UK government is to begin producing a new map of the country, to show where the Muslims are, where they go and what they do. Its supposedly needed because they had no intelligence to prewarn them of the attacks on the London underground a few years or so back. What they want is to find out who goes to which Mosques and other places, who is who in the Muslim community and whats going on generally, to identify possible sources of radicalisation and gain intelligence on possible threats.

I dont get it.

We had a census a few years back, upon which one is invited to state one's religion. Muslims being obliged to declare their adherence to Islam, one would think that they at least of all the population, may have identified themselves on those forms and so the government has a list of names and addresses already.

We also have this thing called The Phone Book, in which one can find details for Mosques, and this other thing called Yellow Pages in which Muslim businesses, clubs and associations etc are listed.

So what is it really about? To me it sends up red flags about a potential first step towards the wearing of yellow crescents on clothing to be worn out of doors. "For public safety" and for the "safety" of law abiding Muslims of course.

E



NorthernGent -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (2/28/2008 11:54:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

The UK government is to begin producing a new map of the country, to show where the Muslims are, where they go and what they do.



Do you have a link, Ellen?



LadyEllen -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (2/28/2008 11:57:35 AM)

It was on Channel 4 News a few minutes ago - try their site?

E



NorthernGent -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (2/28/2008 12:01:59 PM)

Tried it - nothing relating to your post.

'Sure government ministers aren't just trying to sort out the best curry houses?



meatcleaver -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (2/28/2008 12:07:37 PM)

I heard about this on the radio and found it so bizzarre, I thought I misheard it.

Thinking about it though, it sounds like some stupid New Labour idea. One of those headline grabbing ones that in the end are too stupid for words and eventually a source of embarrassment for the government who themn claim they were misunderstood or the opposition are wilfully misintepreting what was said.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (2/28/2008 12:49:17 PM)

Whats also  needed is a map showing where those who are at, or near the top of, the liberal political/media hierarchy live. Then compare the results with where the Muslims live.

Would I be wrong in assuming that there would be very little overlap? I think not.

LadyE I think the Mosques should be allowed to broadcast their call to prayer six times daily, dont you ?
Those who live in Oxford dont he he he he he he he he



MissMorrigan -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (2/28/2008 1:13:16 PM)

In the same way Jews had to wear visible identification at all times in public during their persecution in nazi occupied Germany.

It makes one very uneasy.
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
So what is it really about? To me it sends up red flags about a potential first step towards the wearing of yellow crescents on clothing to be worn out of doors. "For public safety" and for the "safety" of law abiding Muslims of course.



kittinSol -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (2/28/2008 1:16:03 PM)

Is there an article? Something we can sink our teeth into? Or is it too early still?



MissMorrigan -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (2/28/2008 1:28:10 PM)

I've beaten the browser, KS, but still cannot get it to cough up anything of relevance. I would like to see an article too on this.
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Is there an article? Something we can sink our teeth into? Or is it too early still?



kittinSol -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (2/28/2008 1:31:16 PM)

I think I found one... on The Guardian. Apparently, it's a police led initiative.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/28/uksecurity.islam



Real0ne -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (3/7/2008 10:33:51 PM)



why would they map the muslims?  They should be mapping MI5 and MI6!   Well unless those ruthless cave men managed to take down and render your defense systems as useless as they rendered ours!





kinkbound -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (3/7/2008 10:56:20 PM)

Ahh, the bogeyman.

It sounds like you guys are right behind us.



Aneirin -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (3/8/2008 3:34:26 AM)

Yep, the new bogeyman, it is not commies anymore, they have been defused and are no longer a threat. Britain is as far as I am aware, a tolerant society, we allow all sorts , anyone can spout words about whatever, even those from foreign shores  who end up here, they continue to spout their hatred.Often hatred for the country and people who have given them a home. Whatever appears to happen in any part of the world, there always seems to be protests on Britain's streets, a ethnic group or other protesting about western idealism as if Britain was the root of all evil.

For those that protest against us and on our own streets, maybe it is time to suggest that they go elsewhere in the world to live as they clearly don't like us or our country.Or is that being racist?



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (3/8/2008 6:59:49 AM)

Yeah but no one that followed the religion of Judaism was blowing things up, so it is much different. If the non-violent Muslims would publically renounce the Jihadist, and work to actually stop them, then they would create a distinct line between them and the fanatics of their religion. I fail to see how people cannot see the huge difference, and I also feel that drawing the comparisson to Jews during WWII is to cause an extreme reaction against steps to try and prevent further attacks.

So what should the government do to gain intelligence or prevent further attacks? Just hand over control of the country to religious fanatics? How did Great Britian handle tracking the IRA?


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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

In the same way Jews had to wear visible identification at all times in public during their persecution in nazi occupied Germany.

It makes one very uneasy.
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
So what is it really about? To me it sends up red flags about a potential first step towards the wearing of yellow crescents on clothing to be worn out of doors. "For public safety" and for the "safety" of law abiding Muslims of course.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (3/8/2008 7:01:37 AM)

Personally I think the governments should come up with plans to handle things, have them dated and verified by independent sources, and then do nothing. Then when the populace starts getting upset because of bombings and other attacks, they pull the plans out and say "well we could have done this but it may have hurt some people feelings, and we wouldn't want that now would we."



mnottertail -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (3/8/2008 7:03:29 AM)

Orion, my friend...

We cannot convienently ignore Zionists, the building of the kibbutzs, nor can we ignore Masada.

Ron 



kittinSol -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (3/8/2008 7:09:54 AM)

It's easy to ask that Muslims speak in unison against "Jihad". Islam, unlike the Catholic Church, doesn't have a spokesperson to do the PR. Perhaps each individual Muslim should hire a space in the international press to make the condemnation you and many others require [8|] ...



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (3/8/2008 7:12:38 AM)

Oh I do not ignore those either, but if they want to go after Israel, I can afford to send them a map with directions.


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Orion, my friend...

We cannot convienently ignore Zionists, the building of the kibbutzs, nor can we ignore Masada.

Ron 



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (3/8/2008 7:16:02 AM)

When individual representatives of Islam have been asked they are not very clear in their message. The Mosques that have said they do not support the Jihadist, have often allowed meetings in their Mosque. Personally I would be very pissed if I were Muslim and Jihadist were hiding among my congregation, and using us as shields.

You can give them all the excuses you want, and they will readily take them. So what about those closed off Muslim areas in France during those riots? You know the ones that the government has to get permission from their religious leaders to be able to enter? Wake up.


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's easy to ask that Muslims speak in unison against "Jihad". Islam, unlike the Catholic Church, doesn't have a spokesperson to do the PR. Perhaps each individual Muslim should hire a space in the international press to make the condemnation you and many others require [8|] ...



kittinSol -> RE: Mapping the Muslims.......... (3/8/2008 7:44:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

You can give them all the excuses you want, and they will readily take them. So what about those closed off Muslim areas in France during those riots? You know the ones that the government has to get permission from their religious leaders to be able to enter? Wake up.



The areas you speak of in France are not "Muslim bastions". The riots are occurring for social and economic reasons. The people you speak of are French citizens, born in France, fourth generation, who happen to be of the Muslim faith.

Why should anyone justify themselves because of insane terrorists? Just to keep you happy?

The CRS are terrified to go in because the people there are disinfranchised; having nothing to loose, they don't give a fuck about anything.

In France, it's not a religious war, whatever you may think: take your blinders off.

Here's a little article about young French Muslims you might find interesting:

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But more importantly, the messages [these young Muslims] bear emphasise the need for values - not so much Muslim values, but any values in an increasingly godless society.

"Those values we want to show are coming from Islam. They are human values that everyone - a Muslim and a non-Muslim can recognise," the company's director Thierry Roseau says.

"Values such as friendship, charity, justice and so on. So, the first thing we want is for Muslims to stop hiding and to be proud of what they are."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7266729.stm



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