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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/23/2008 2:38:33 PM

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I picked up a book discussing the merits of pet food.

Much to My horror- there are none.

When you see that pets who die at the vet are sometimes given to rendering plants to be fed again in the pet food- ug...I'm going to feed them something different.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20031010/ai_n12730368

Ok.....the book I read was from 1997. Lamb meal (including those affected by brain disease) can be fed to dogs since scrapie has not shown up in the brains of dogs....well no conclusive tests, anyway.

Has anything changed in the industry since that time?

I'm going out to buy some meat for My zoo today.

These asses who make the food should be shot. This is some version of Soilent Green for pets.

Maybe that book didn't mention any merits to using prepared pet food because it is a book on the Reformation? At least that's what came up when I clicked on the link.

As far as feeding your pet processed food vs. table scraps, both sides of that debate have an array of facts, and very likely some hidden agendas.

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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/23/2008 2:50:08 PM

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Cats need taurine...how much do I need to add? Does the amount vary with the age of the cat?

How many times a day does Captain Poo-bah Pussypants and the dog need to be fed? How much at a time?

I looked at the raw diet thing posted above- and I am not sure that they would not get a parasite from that.

I found a local source of meat today, and from a farmer who only grain feeds his cattle. Thank goodness I live near a Farmer's market. I'll just make something for them, as well, from My table.

Are there any issues with feeding cats fish that I have prepared? ie) the bones? Or can I just crush those in?

How much carbs can a dog have in the diet, in ratio to protein?

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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/23/2008 2:53:12 PM

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Oops...nerdy sub had that on the puter.

I'll try again:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/petfood1.html

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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/23/2008 2:54:49 PM

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Maybe that book didn't mention any merits to using prepared pet food because it is a book on the Reformation? At least that's what came up when I clicked on the link.

Wasn't wet food versus dry food one of the key reasons Luther broke from Rome?

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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/23/2008 3:12:45 PM

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Where do you think he got the 95 feces?

(borrowed from an old National Lampoon)

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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/23/2008 4:09:05 PM

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With issues like BSE- saying that it or other diseases like scrapies does NOT cross species and thus- removing the brain and spinal cord will make it SAFE to feed to pets...oh...right...that's a GOOD idea! NOT!

That nasty bovine encephalitis just stops at the spinal cord and says "Nope. Can't go in there. I'll infect everything. That's a no-no!"

Righttttttt. I don't want my pet eating the remains of diseased or euthanized animals, especially when...hmmm...the drugs used in euthanasia- sodium barbitol- does NOT break down in the rendering process.

Who wants to eat Whiskas now? (cringes)

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Dont be under any misapprehension that the meat in burgers, sausages and pies is any different to what goes to the pet food factory. Sometimes, its the meat that went to the pet food factory. Yes, confessions of a transport manager.....

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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/23/2008 9:02:33 PM

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Yeah there is one for insect particles and inert particles (not sure what their definition of inert is).

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There is actually an acceptable amount on rat poop to be contained in food,not sure what the measure is.

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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/23/2008 10:12:24 PM

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You wouldn't want to know what some of my dogs have found and eaten! They're natural scavengers in my opinion. This is based on my own observations...

So are humans. Our prehistoric ancestors scavenged a great deal of their food, and so have modern humans in tough times. Omnivores will generally resort to scavenging when they can't find anything else to eat. People worry too much about the food that we consume.

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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/24/2008 12:01:25 PM

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Dont be under any misapprehension that the meat in burgers, sausages and pies is any different to what goes to the pet food factory. Sometimes, its the meat that went to the pet food factory. Yes, confessions of a transport manager.....

So I am unloading pallets of 50lb frozen blocks of beef from a refrigerator ship. We are discussing the fact that it will either be Alpo dog food or Wendy's burgers.

A sling breaks. 50lb chunks of frozen beef caroms around the dock in a huge hockey puck like manner.

Everybody stands around shocked until I observe

"Beef, its whats for dinner"

Took a while for everybody to stop laughing while the pucks got put back on the pallet on the way to somebody's or something's kibble burger.

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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/24/2008 12:11:55 PM

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Oh I can do better than that Sinergy

Years ago, when I started in transport in about 1989/90 as junior traffic clerk, the company I worked for had a contract with a certain meat merchant and importer.

Part of the contract involved reporting to a certain leading brand pet food factory, where we would load big slabs of entrails etc, much like you describe I expect, which had been rejected by the pet food factory. The driver received the veterinary papers to say it was unfit for use, and the idea was we were taking it to be disposed of.

Except that we would then be required to go to a certain layby, where the driver would collect new veterinary papers from some guy in a car, together with new delivery papers showing that it hadnt come from a petfood supply chain. And then straight on to the burger/sausage/pie factory of another leading brand.

Of course, even in my early twenties I knew this was wrong - but I wasnt about to get sacked for blowing the whistle on it. Its not a good career move - and in any case, the papertrail was clean so my allegations would have been simply that.

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RE: The horror of pet food - 2/25/2008 12:30:14 AM

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Since I do not own a cat, I can not speak on that topic, but since I care about what I feed my dog, I will throw in my 2 Canadian Beaver-faced nickels.

When buying dog food look for the word "Byproducts", if you see that --run, do not buy. It means they can put whatever the heck is laying around in it. Mostly all pet food contains it, including Science Diet. I would also avoid too much chicken it is not so great on their digestion, makes the poop runny. I would avoid potatoes as well, not good for the joints.

My girl dog eats some dry food with all sorts of amazing stuff in it, the brand is "Solid Gold, Hund n Flocken" I think it is out of Germany. I also cook for her. Stewed Beef, Rib-Eye, Ground Beef, Lamb, even Tuna sometimes and Eggs too. Brown rice is a staple and so is ground flax which I grind in the coffee mill. Ground flax is great for humans too when eaten on a regular basis, like a couple spoons on your food (it tastes good--nutty) it works as an anti-inflammatory. Sweet potatoes are good, some veg if you want, but not tomatoes or onions for dogs.

I learned this from a woman who wrote a huge Almanac on Herbs and the wonderful things they do. She is in Queensland, Australia, (shite, I cant remember her name, Isabel something.) She said that Nettle tea may be substituted for water for dogs. I tried it with my dog and I found it went funky too fast so I put some into her food to moisten up the texture and I noticed her fur got shinier. She said breeders used it for their show dogs for the way it made the hair shine. It is said, too, that Nettle is the Mother of all Herbs. If all the herbs were destroyed (please no!) that Nettle would be the first to come back and the rest would follow. I started drinking it too. I Googled it and found all it's amazing properties but I forget now. I like to drink it in the summer, (I have been too lazy to make it recently) it is so hydrating. I noticed my hair texture improved as well.

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