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Presidency race...=/ - 2/22/2008 6:48:01 PM

ManInTheBox

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Is it just me or does it seem that no matter who is elected here...we'd be just as screwed as we are now? Let's face it it's true Obama is relying just on speeches. He says he's gonna do this and do that, but never says how. Having Clinton is office (which is unlikely) would be like having Bill in there again. Our economy was booming but the steps he took to get us there did whether directly or indirectly helped set us up for September 11th. Meanwhile McCain...while a borderline moderate seems to be agreeing a lot about what Bush says and about the war. Where's Denny Kucinich?!? lol

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/22/2008 7:10:35 PM

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/22/2008 7:20:11 PM

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Is it just me or does it seem that no matter who is elected here...we'd be just as screwed as we are now? Let's face it it's true Obama is relying just on speeches. He says he's gonna do this and do that, but never says how. Having Clinton is office (which is unlikely) would be like having Bill in there again. Our economy was booming but the steps he took to get us there did whether directly or indirectly helped set us up for September 11th. Meanwhile McCain...while a borderline moderate seems to be agreeing a lot about what Bush says and about the war. Where's Denny Kucinich?!? lol

Alas, he bowed out of the race awhile back.

Don't worry about Hill being like Bill. The reason he was able to score head in the Oval Office during business hours is because Hillary WAS running the country :)

I've vacillated between Hill and Barrack until last night. Hill is the only one who delineated what and how she was going to do.

Obama is all rhetoric to me. "Yes, We Can"? .. ummm "Yes, We Can"- What? We need Change! .., agreed.. please have him answer How, What, When. Where and Why?

A friend of mine that I was having lunch with today said she is voting for Hillary because of her experience- she knows where the "bodies are buried". Hopefully she'll waste not time in digging them up and carting them away. This is what is scaring the gool 'ol boy club.

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/22/2008 7:54:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: ManInTheBox

Is it just me or does it seem that no matter who is elected here...we'd be just as screwed as we are now? Let's face it it's true Obama is relying just on speeches. He says he's gonna do this and do that, but never says how. Having Clinton is office (which is unlikely) would be like having Bill in there again. Our economy was booming but the steps he took to get us there did whether directly or indirectly helped set us up for September 11th. Meanwhile McCain...while a borderline moderate seems to be agreeing a lot about what Bush says and about the war. Where's Denny Kucinich?!? lol

"Our economy was booming but the steps he took to get us there did whether directly or indirectly helped set us up for September 11th"

While the 1st part is undeniable,could you explain the 2nd part?

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/22/2008 7:57:36 PM

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Any person acceptable to either political party is by definition unsuited for elected office.

Send them all home and start from scratch.

I nominate Celticlord2112 to be President of the United States of America.

Can I get a second?

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/22/2008 8:10:43 PM

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Any person acceptable to either political party is by definition unsuited for elected office.

Send them all home and start from scratch.

I nominate Celticlord2112 to be President of the United States of America.

Can I get a second?

Damn, man, please tell me you're joking......

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/22/2008 8:14:36 PM

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We have been taken over by criminals NOT one party but BOTH and most are to blind to see it!!

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/23/2008 7:25:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: ManInTheBox

Is it just me or does it seem that no matter who is elected here...we'd be just as screwed as we are now? Let's face it it's true Obama is relying just on speeches. He says he's gonna do this and do that, but never says how. Having Clinton is office (which is unlikely) would be like having Bill in there again. Our economy was booming but the steps he took to get us there did whether directly or indirectly helped set us up for September 11th. Meanwhile McCain...while a borderline moderate seems to be agreeing a lot about what Bush says and about the war. Where's Denny Kucinich?!? lol

"Our economy was booming but the steps he took to get us there did whether directly or indirectly helped set us up for September 11th"

While the 1st part is undeniable,could you explain the 2nd part?

He took money from certain parts of government and things like that and tried to kill Bin Laden and messed it up...I'm sure that didn't sit too well with him

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/23/2008 11:16:43 PM

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Is it just me or does it seem that no matter who is elected here...we'd be just as screwed as we are now? Let's face it it's true Obama is relying just on speeches. He says he's gonna do this and do that, but never says how. ...

FOX news told you this so it must be true?

For heaven's sake, go to the campaign website and download the sizeable PDF file chock full what I'm willing to bet is more detail than you'll be willing to read about "how he's gonna do it."

Decide for yourself whether you think the plans are good, but stop listening to the spin doctors who have convinced you that Obama has no plans. It is patently absurd, a Big Obvious Lie which somehow gains credibility in some people's minds apparently as a function of hearing the lie told over and over.

Clinton--well during at least a few weeks of her always in search of a new message campaign--was running as Ms. Ready On Day One.
It seems to me that she wasn't even ready to campaign for president, let alone execute the office. She hired badly, spent badly, planned badly and executed badly. There is plenty of documented evidnce for each of these claims but if you don't care to dig it up just consider the following.

She did indeed have a plausible claim of applicable experience. She has far more experience at campaigning and started the race with far more money. As the presumptive candidate at the start she could pretty much hire anyone she wanted. She had name recognition at the start that Obama could only envy. She had women and latinos and labor pretty much sewn up.

And what has she done with these advatntages? Frittered them away. Just last weekend she was quoted by MSNBC and other sources as saying in regard to the Texas primary electoral system that she has people on her staff who were in tears trying to understand its arcane complexity for her. Not a great time to start working on that with the voting a couple of weeks away. Of course on the stump in Texas she always mentions that she first campaigned there in 1972.

Frankly, I'd like anyone who's gonna be in charge of a mideastern war to at least be able to successfully manage a mid-western election.

So yeah, this do-or-die primary is about two weeks away and she's still trying to figure out how voting works in Texas? Doesn't sound like ready on day one to me.

Obama wasn't my first choice, but there he is. His plans and Clinton's often differ only in details. My question is: which candidate can move the country a few steps toward unity? The fact that Independants are preferring Obama in droves suggest to me that he might be the more unifying figure. I feel that Clinton is probably the only person who could divide the United States more deeply and dangerously than whomever has been running things while W has been in Washington.

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/23/2008 11:57:53 PM

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Realistically, Billary can be counted out at this point. If she wins Democrats nomination J. McCain will be president. If Obama wins party nomination he will be president. The reason for Obama's win is he is able to bring out his supporters to vote, McCain is unable to overcome this advantage. Billary's base is weak, blacks would'nt show up, McCain will eliminate latino advantage, angry white male would under no circumstances vote for Billary.

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/24/2008 12:55:14 AM

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McCains voting record

Obamas voting record

Clintons voting record

It's not what they say which matters to me, it's what they do which counts. Talk is cheap. Voting records speak for themselves and it is the main criteria I use to make a determination on who is worthy of my vote. This isn't for the American Idol .. it's for the American President. I do hope everyone will research, then choose the candidate based on that research and in compliance with their conscience.

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/24/2008 1:37:51 AM

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Voting records speak for themselves and it is the main criteria I use to make a determination on who is worthy of my vote.

I applaud anyone who digs that deep and doesn't just vote based on what I've derisively referred to as the 'Good haircut' factor.

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/24/2008 4:27:10 AM

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This is Darcy

Regardless of their policies, beliefs, etc, while the.dark. and I were watching the BBC News 24 channel this morning, on which Clinton was berating Obama for allegedly printing lies about her on leaflets he'd distributed, we turned to each other and commented that if these two candidates for Presidency (one of whom I believe will become President due to the fact that I'm guessing after eight years of Bush's Republican shenanigans the people of the US will by default rebel against the party that let him get away with all of his shit) have such little regard or respect for each other, and they're on the same side then what hope for anybody else, including the American people and the rest of the world?

Oh well, such is life and politics, eh?

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/24/2008 4:42:10 AM

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I think the answer to that is both Clinton and Obama and the rest of them-politicians in general seek to serve themselves before the people whom they say they so want to serve. The people are only a vehicle to get where they want to in life.

Their priority is to themselves, they want the power above all and will, it seems resort to any means to get it. A point when it happens that I remember what they are, politicians eager for power.

Maybe I am cynical, but am I wrong?

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/24/2008 5:16:50 AM

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Well I think that if Hilary wins the nomination that McCain will win. If Obama wins the nomination he will win. I am so opposed to Hilary for her "plans" She, in her website, has proposed fines, and potentially jail, for disagreement with her healthcare plan. Sounds to me like a dictatorship - do as I say or well just lock you up. This is no real change from before. Obama does give some choices to the people. I like them listing goals. Not necessarily the details of how to get there. We all know that the details change once they get into office anyway. But working on the goals, regardless of whether I personally agree with them, is noble. but when you constrict yourself to specifying how you are going to get there, then you have to follow that plan, unless you are lying to begin with, and politics in general preclude it from happening that way by it nature.

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/24/2008 6:43:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: ManInTheBox

Is it just me or does it seem that no matter who is elected here...we'd be just as screwed as we are now? Let's face it it's true Obama is relying just on speeches. He says he's gonna do this and do that, but never says how. Having Clinton is office (which is unlikely) would be like having Bill in there again. Our economy was booming but the steps he took to get us there did whether directly or indirectly helped set us up for September 11th. Meanwhile McCain...while a borderline moderate seems to be agreeing a lot about what Bush says and about the war. Where's Denny Kucinich?!? lol

Alas, he bowed out of the race awhile back.

Don't worry about Hill being like Bill. The reason he was able to score head in the Oval Office during business hours is because Hillary WAS running the country :)

I've vacillated between Hill and Barrack until last night. Hill is the only one who delineated what and how she was going to do.

It is still just talk, it is just better talk. Also, you cannot accurately say how to solve a problem in 2 minutes or less. Have you read Obama's site or his book?

quote:

Obama is all rhetoric to me. "Yes, We Can"? .. ummm "Yes, We Can"- What? We need Change! .., agreed.. please have him answer How, What, When. Where and Why?

A friend of mine that I was having lunch with today said she is voting for Hillary because of her experience- she knows where the "bodies are buried". Hopefully she'll waste not time in digging them up and carting them away. This is what is scaring the gool 'ol boy club.

What is rhetoric is the above.

Why will Hillary not release information about her taxes and other things that she is currently blocking?

What kind of connections do the Clinton's have with the Chinese? Is it a concern?

Doesn't Hillary still represent the business as usual politics that has been hurting this country for several decades? How will she be any different?

Have you read exactly what Hillary has said about Iraq, the Defense budget, and current military operations?

I have plenty more questions but the post would get way too lengthy.

Here is one that kind of shows how some will ignore certain things from a female, but not a male. If she were a male, and there was information that the female in the relationship was sporting a black eye after an evening of arguement, what would you think? If you do not know what I mean, do a search on the Clinton's and Streishand (sp?). Bill had a long scratch mark on his face and said he cut himself shaving, the mark started in the cheek where most males do not grow hair, and reports from this that saw the mark say that it did not look like it was from a razor, but would not say outright what it looked like.

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/24/2008 7:25:14 AM

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hey box- you are too young to be this cynical.plot a way to peck the status quo.

celtic- yeah- eye candy forsure.

lani giuneer was right- proportional voting should be considerred. election reform. in russia if a certain per cent doesnt vote the elctin is void.

how to change it? well in mass everyone could move to the battle ground states- you know on paper- 30 days ahead of nov 2. and vote there.

dump the elctoral college. it has been rendered pulse dialing when touch tone is needed,

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/24/2008 9:31:20 AM

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McCains voting record

Nutjob alert.

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Obamas voting record

Not too bad for a junior senator

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Clintons voting record

Which party does she want the nomination for? She votes Republican...

Thanks for the links, Celeste.

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/24/2008 4:39:35 PM

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Thanks for the links, Celeste.

Sinergy

Always a pleasure doing business with ya, Sinergy.

As I said, my main criteria is voting records, but I have this pet peeve about pork, so utilize other sources (aside from the site already linked) such as

Pork

to continue my research.

Bill Moyers had an interesting show on earmarks the other day. It might be available on the web somewhere if anyone is interested. I'll give you three guesses as to which Senator from New York made the top 10 (in terms of $) for earmarking.

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RE: Presidency race...=/ - 2/24/2008 6:11:07 PM

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Is it just me or does it seem that no matter who is elected here...we'd be just as screwed as we are now?

Well, let's think about this for just a second here....

Eisenhower (sp?) said in his election campaign that inflation (under 2%) was too high, that he'd solve that problem, raise employment, fix the inequalities in life, lower the national debt and largely make this a better place.

He got elected.

Later....

Kennedy came on to the scene and said "Inflation (under 2%) is too high, that (he’d) solve that problem, raise employment, fix the inequalities in life, lower the national debt and largely make this a better place".

Johnson pretty much didn't give a shit about inflation, spend like a drunken sailor, made it clear to everyone "we're gonna win this war"...and then walked away from the whole game a few years later.

Nixon came in and said..."Inflation (under 4%) is too high, that (he’d) solve that problem, raise employment, fix the inequalities in life, lower the national debt and largely make this a better place".

Carter came in and said "Inflation (under 9%) is too high, that (he’d) solve that problem, raise employment, fix the inequalities in life, lower the national debt and largely make this a better place".

Reagan came in and said "Inflation (under 15%) is too high, that (he’d) solve that problem, raise employment, fix the inequalities in life, lower the national debt and largely make this a better place".

Bush 1 came in and said "inflation's under control, no new taxes...trust me on this"...raised taxes...got blown out and then....

Clinton 1 came in and enjoyed the raft of new tax money coming in, along with the flood of new tech money...and had a blast lowering the national "deficit" but not the debt....pretended to lower our debt and then....

Bush 2 came in and said "Inflation is under control...let's go blow something up....we have all this money just floating around....it ain't gonna cost a thing"...and now.....

The next Prez is about to take charge when our debt has tripled in just 8 years, inflation is about to explode beyond anything anyone alive has any concept of, the US dollar ain't worth 6 Peso's, thanks to Bush 1, Bush 2 and Clinton 1, your jobs are about to be done by anyone other than you, and your Hibachi costs less in real dollars than in 1953 (when Eisenhower was elected)...so....yeah....

...I'd say we're about to be as screwed as we were before.

(That fairly well sums things up).

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