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joy2u -> RE: Questioning Orientation Terms (2/24/2008 7:54:03 AM)
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
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ORIGINAL: joy2u
First, do you consider submissive and slave to be separate and distinct orientations, as they are listed on CM, rather than simply being variations of a single orientation?
I do consider them to be separate orientations.
Would you elaborate on how slave and submissive are distinctive orientations from each other? That could be very helpful to me in understanding the difference between the slave orientation compared to the submissive orientation.
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Is the separate listing for slave and submissive part of the reason for the numerous threads that question the difference between a slave and a sub?
Nope, it hit the top five way topics to discuss way before nicely formatted forums like this ever existed.
No doubt, it has been a controversy since people started differentiating slaves from submissives. Certainly, i know the debate takes place elsewhere, since i see it on other online groups and message boards but, since i am addressing this question to the CM group, i asked the question specifically concerning these boards.
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And, should Dominant and Master also be considered separate and distinct orientations and listed as such, rather than being combined into a single orientation?
I'm fine either way. All clarification can be made in the profile itself or through conversation.
Then why not include slave in with submissive and the individual can clarify their slave qualities and interests in their narative portion of their profile, just as with Dominant and Master? Or, why not also include property as a separate orientation, since a lot of people consider themselves to be in that category, rather than the others that are listed?
Why treat submissive and slave as separate orientations and not do the same with Dominant and Master?
Also, from the number of threads that get started by new people questioning whether they are a submissive or a slave, it makes me think that there are plenty of people who have trouble with selecting one over the other when they set-up their CM profile. It seems to me that if they didn't have to choose between slave and submissive when creating their profile, that it might make it easier for them. Choosing between Dominant or Submissive or Switch, could be easier for someone who is new than trying to differentiate between slave and submissive. The person could then define themself further and express their interests about slavery or property, etc. inside the narrative portion of their profile.
When someone sets up their profile on this site, they are being required to put themself into one of the four little boxes that are offered for orientation. This seems to be a problem for quite a few people and, the fact that Dominant and Master are not differentiated on that list, while submissive and slave are, seems to be adding to much of the confusion and controversy over the difference between submissive and slave. After all, for some, it seems to be a pretty fine line between the two and a line that is often crossed or blurred, at least from time to time, within the same person and/or within the same relationship.
Perhaps, another choice of "Uncertain", should be added, as well, since many people seem to have only a vague idea about their orientation and, it seems that having to define themself, so specifically, to create a profile on CM is a cause for concern for many.
Any way, that's why i was asking, if it might be better to simplify the choices for orientation to just Dominant, Submissive, and Switch and let each person further define themself within their narative?
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Is this single orientation listing part of the reason why there doesn't seem to be the same number of threads questioning the difference between a Master and a Dom?
Nope, I think it's a cultural values system that places higher value on slave over sub and the s-types wanting to be found pleasing and approving.
i disagree that we have a cultural values system that places higher value on slave over submissive. In fact, just from reading some of the many posts that speak of the difference between slaves and subs, it seems to me that many people feel just the opposite, that slaves are not valued more than subs and, even more so, that they shouldn't be.
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Should the list be expanded to include these choices, as well, or others?
I agree with TammyJo that perhaps at least top/bottom could be added. But I'd prefer a check box- since so many people are MULTIPLE orientations.
Checkboxes that allow for multiple choices is a very good idea.
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This list is probably incomplete but, there does seem to be more terms that specify female Dominants than there are to specify male Dominants. Anyone know why this is?
I think you aren't being creative enough. There might be a wider variety of terms because female sexuality always tends to be more complicated, especially with historical repression, than males. But trust me, I can think of tons of terms/labels traditionally male associated.
i'm sure there are many more names. i just listed the terms that i see most often used on this site. i would enjoy learning others that are used.
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Also, the word "Submissive" (sub for short) is used for either male or female submissives and, "Slave" is used for either male or female slaves.
Why are there no gender-specific terms to specify male submissives or male slaves or female?
There really aren't for doms either, but for some reason people wanted to create them. I am just fine being called a dom- see no reason for anything else.
This was just something i had noticed and i was wondering if anyone had any insight or theories on why people had created so many more names for Dominants and, many of these were gender-specific, while that didn't seem to be the case for submissives and slaves, as though there is no importance in differentiating a female slave (or submissive) from a male. When people speak of a female Dominant they usually use a gender-specific term but, that doesn't seem to be the case when they speak of submissives or slaves, whether male or female. That just made me wonder, is all.
joy
Owned servant of Master David
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